[admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project
Hi there, LispNYC.org has created a free self-booting Lisp Education CD which contains: * 3 complete Lisp Deveopment Systems * 3 full length books * numbers of tutorials, references, etc. ...all in a single integrated environment. It debuted at Linux World Expo with almost 100 CDs given out to interested individuals. Someone enjoyed it so much, they came back the next day to give LispNYC.org a $20 donation! Anyway, the problem is that LispNYC is running on DSL and cannot host an ISO, which is why I'd like to include it on common-lisp.net. We expect anywhere between 2 and 10 downloads per week (currently a steady 3 requests per week) and I'd also be setting up a mailing list etc. But due to the fact that there exists within the CD: * copyrighted software (Allegro CL and LispWorks) * copyrighted work (Successful Lisp, OnLisp) and the fact that various authors specifically request that: * they retain copyright to their work * it not enter the 'public domain' * the CD remain free of charge ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works falling under a more lenient license. Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. We, of course, have explicit permission from every author to distribute the content found on the CD, which was no small task. :-) Thanks, - Heow
LispNYC.org has created a free self-booting Lisp Education CD which
This sounds way cool!
Anyway, the problem is that LispNYC is running on DSL and cannot host an ISO, which is why I'd like to include it on common-lisp.net. We expect anywhere between 2 and 10 downloads per week (currently a steady 3 requests per week) and I'd also be setting up a mailing list etc.
But due to the fact that there exists within the CD:
* copyrighted software (Allegro CL and LispWorks) * copyrighted work (Successful Lisp, OnLisp)
and the fact that various authors specifically request that:
* they retain copyright to their work * it not enter the 'public domain' * the CD remain free of charge
...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works falling under a more lenient license.
I see. Mailing list(s) should be no problem, but I'm a bit unclear on what else you would like to have?
Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it.
Would what about ftp://ftp.common-lisp.net/pub/.../lispnyc-cd/? Would that count as LispNYC distributing it? If so, *I* think (remains to see how others perceive this) that we could set you up for FTP and mailing lists despite the license. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola PS. As an administrative aside, I still think we should have ftp look something like this: pub/ projects/... as is extra/... Wierd special cases like the LispNYC CD that aren't projects, but still need FTP upload. cclan/... We should become a CCLAN node. cclan-incoming/... Public uploads for CCLAN stuff, gets pushed to cclan/ if signatures match the previous package (or maybe a list of authorized sigs for that package). -ns
Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@cc.hut.fi> writes:
LispNYC.org has created a free self-booting Lisp Education CD which
This sounds way cool!
Indeed!
I see. Mailing list(s) should be no problem, but I'm a bit unclear on what else you would like to have?
Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it.
Would what about ftp://ftp.common-lisp.net/pub/.../lispnyc-cd/? Would that count as LispNYC distributing it?
If so, *I* think (remains to see how others perceive this) that we could set you up for FTP and mailing lists despite the license.
The only thing that bothers me is the legal part. It is hard to see how putting it in our ftp qualifies as lispNYC distributing it. I say, mailing lists & web page: no problem. FTP : only if we can be reasonably sure that we are not going to have a problem. What means reasonably sure? Good question. Regards, Mario.
Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@cc.hut.fi> writes:
PS. As an administrative aside, I still think we should have ftp look something like this:
pub/
projects/... as is
extra/... Wierd special cases like the LispNYC CD that aren't projects, but still need FTP upload.
cclan/... We should become a CCLAN node.
cclan-incoming/...
Public uploads for CCLAN stuff, gets pushed to cclan/ if signatures match the previous package (or maybe a list of authorized sigs for that package).
Sounds good! Mario.
Guys, You're currently hosting my project (the Lisp Resource Kit) and I'm VERY happy with the service, bandwidth and overall professionalism. Anyway, the ALU, along with the local user groups are looking for a place to host videos of various Lisp-geek demos and presentations. Presently the ALU lacks the bandwidth to host such items and I was wondering of you guys would be up for it. Expected usage would be 2 100MB uploads/month, ~30 downloads/month (3GB) for about 3GB storage/year. What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any bandwidth caps? - Heow
Hi! Heow Eide-Goodman <heow@alphageeksinc.com> writes:
Guys,
You're currently hosting my project (the Lisp Resource Kit) and I'm VERY happy with the service, bandwidth and overall professionalism.
Wow, on behalf of everyone involved: thanks! :-)
Anyway, the ALU, along with the local user groups are looking for a place to host videos of various Lisp-geek demos and presentations. Presently the ALU lacks the bandwidth to host such items and I was wondering of you guys would be up for it.
Expected usage would be 2 100MB uploads/month, ~30 downloads/month (3GB) for about 3GB storage/year.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any bandwidth caps?
Yes, of the benign anti-{slashdotting|DoS} type. Currently our cap is 220Gb/month, simply because 200 is included in the hosting package, and the extra 20 is what I planed to afford. We currently use around 27 GB a month, and it is growing. A decent percentage of this BW use is backups, probably. So there is bandwidth for the movies. Storage is another issue, though. We have enough for a year, I gather. I sugest the following: we do it, and keep an eye on BW and disk usage. If it gets out of control, we ponder what to do then (after eventually getting them off the net, lest we trigger a shortage of SLIME). We could host the movies as a project - or we could also think of something else... Regards, Mario.
I'm pleased you're interested. I'm also thinking of a worse-case-scenario, we get /.-ed and blow the bandwidth out the window. Other than the obvious answer of removing the videos, what happens? Is the bandwidth capped or will just a nice-fat bill going to show up in the mail? In that case, I think it would be completely appropiate for the ALU to spring for an additional 220GB of bandwidth. Any idea on the costs associated with that? Also who's your hosting provider? - Heow On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 18:17, Mario Mommer wrote:
Hi!
Heow Eide-Goodman <heow@alphageeksinc.com> writes:
Guys,
You're currently hosting my project (the Lisp Resource Kit) and I'm VERY happy with the service, bandwidth and overall professionalism.
Wow, on behalf of everyone involved: thanks! :-)
Anyway, the ALU, along with the local user groups are looking for a place to host videos of various Lisp-geek demos and presentations. Presently the ALU lacks the bandwidth to host such items and I was wondering of you guys would be up for it.
Expected usage would be 2 100MB uploads/month, ~30 downloads/month (3GB) for about 3GB storage/year.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any bandwidth caps?
Yes, of the benign anti-{slashdotting|DoS} type. Currently our cap is 220Gb/month, simply because 200 is included in the hosting package, and the extra 20 is what I planed to afford. We currently use around 27 GB a month, and it is growing. A decent percentage of this BW use is backups, probably.
So there is bandwidth for the movies. Storage is another issue, though. We have enough for a year, I gather.
I sugest the following: we do it, and keep an eye on BW and disk usage. If it gets out of control, we ponder what to do then (after eventually getting them off the net, lest we trigger a shortage of SLIME).
We could host the movies as a project - or we could also think of something else...
Regards, Mario.
Heow Eide-Goodman <heow@alphageeksinc.com> writes:
I'm also thinking of a worse-case-scenario, we get /.-ed and blow the bandwidth out the window. Other than the obvious answer of removing the videos, what happens? Is the bandwidth capped or will just a nice-fat bill going to show up in the mail?
The bandwidth is capped. A bill shows up through the mail, but it is a moderate one (for the excess 20GB).
In that case, I think it would be completely appropiate for the ALU to spring for an additional 220GB of bandwidth. Any idea on the costs associated with that? Also who's your hosting provider?
Our hosting provider is STRATO GmbH. I at least am satisfied. I will contact you OOB wrt the costs. Regards, Mario.
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