Eric (or whoever the admin is these days), I saw that you're too busy these days to really manage c-l.net. I can offer some help. I can't do all of the admin stuff, but I can do some of it. And, on a different note, I've forgotten the oct-cvs mailing-list admin password. I thought I saved every e-mail about the project, but I can't find the e-mail about the oct-cvs mailing list admin password. What do I need to do to recover that? Or can you create a new one for me? Thanks, Ray