From: "Nikodemus Siivola" nikodemus@random-state.net writes:

Oops. Accidentally sent this just to the admin-list.

I noticed it was a mailing list only at the third email...

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But I could at least add a project page if you want.

Nah. I don't see much point in putting up a project page when the project is elsewhere.

OK, tell me when you have reached a consensus on the subject ;-)

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I've seen this but it's what I have done with mod_lisp and cl-pdf and

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users/contributors ratio is a fairly good approximation of 0. :(

Er. I see the tarballs, yes. But no CVS (or other) repositories. The difference is really a big one.

People who are likely to help want the bleeding edge: if it's broken they can try to fix it. If it works fine (like releases tend to) they'll just use it -- and don't touch the source until there's something they want from it.

What I am looking for is not really fixer but contributors.

Also, it's nice to know that what you have is a good approximation of what the author has.

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Releasing software takes time, you get lots of emails asking for

support,

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etc... And time is the resource I'm missing the most! So I prefer to

work on

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cl-typesetting to release it only when it's usable by an average user. So it's not that I'm against releasing it it's just that I don't think

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advantages would be so great.

The point is that anonCVS / whatever is not the same as a release.

People who tracks CVS don't generally expect the same level of support as people who use released. And when they do, they should be told that things don't work like that. ;-)

Tarball = for users Repository = for developers

Good point. BTW I've never given CVS access to others. Is there a mechanism to accept/reject the changes.

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BTW I'm ok to discuss this on a suitable place if c.l.l is not the good

one.

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(or by email)

Clump might be a fertile place to get people's views on this release/devel-access dichtomy. Better signal to noise ratio.

Ok I will probably put the debate there...

I agree that in c.l.l the signal is almost lost in the noise. Where are the lispniks who write code instead of just talking ? I also posted to lispweb but it's almost empty.

Marc