An important missing information that parse-ordinary-lambda-list fails to return is whether there was a &key keyword. If I submit a patch to add that as an additional returned value, will it be integrated? —♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org The American diplomat to the Russian: "My country too is free: in the USA too anyone may freely publish the dirty little secrets of president Medvedev!"