Hi, Thanks for adding class-prototype. Unfortunately I realize that the specification doesn't guarantee the behavior I was looking for, so I though I would solicit advise. Basically I want to be able to access class-allocated slot values before I create any real instances. I thought I could grab the class prototype and do slot value on them, but according to the doc below initialize is not called, which I guess is when class-allocated slots are being set up. Is there a portable way of asking for the values of class slots absent the creation of at least one initialized instance? -Alan http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/8.2/doc/mop/dictionary.html#class... Generic Function class-prototype class Returns a prototype instance of class. Whether the instance is initialized is not specified. The results are undefined if a portable program modifies the binding of any slot of prototype instance. This generic function signals an error if class has not been finalized.