On 7/30/09 2:38 AM, Paul Reiners wrote:

Some introductory user documentation I wrote on ABCL if anyone's interested:

http://www.automatous-monk.com/jvmlanguages/abcl/Armed_Bear_Common_Lisp.html

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Any criticism, constructive or destructive, is welcome.

Just a nit pick on cause and effect: as far as I can tell from five minutes searching the web, Paul Westerberg wrote the song "Right to Arm Bears" around 2006, whereas the motto for ABCL has been around since the late 1990s. It's cool that HE might be a ABCL user, as I was always a huge Replacements fan! The exact source of the the ABCL motto remains a mystery to me, but perhaps others more steeped in the lore of the Bear can advise?

I kind of guessed that the ABCL motto didn't come from fellow MPLS resident Westerberg. But I kind of like him and the 'Mats too much to *not* sneak that reference in even if it is historically incorrect.

Paul

On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Mark Evenson wrote:

Just a nit pick on cause and effect: as far as I can tell from five minutes searching the web, Paul Westerberg wrote the song "Right to Arm Bears" around 2006, whereas the motto for ABCL has been around since the late 1990s. It's cool that HE might be a ABCL user, as I was always a huge Replacements fan! The exact source of the the ABCL motto remains a mystery to me, but perhaps others more steeped in the lore of the Bear can advise?

I just finished making the corrections you suggested:

http://www.automatous-monk.com/jvmlanguages/abcl/Armed_Bear_Common_Lisp.html

I also improved the format a lot.

Would there be any interest in moving this over (or a modified version of this over) to the Armed Bear web site as a start on User Documentation?

Paul

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Alessio Stalla alessiostalla@gmail.comwrote:

Good work! It's nice to see introductory documentation for abcl.

Now the (constructive) criticism part :) I found an inaccuracy on Slide 10, regarding boxing/unboxing of values. Indeed boxing and unboxing is done automatically by ABCL. In your case, had you wrapped your ints in Fixnums instead of JavaObjects, you could have used them directly in Lisp. In general, since the user can't be expected to know how to map every Java type to Lisp and vice-versa, there are a couple of nice methods you can use in all cases:

public static LispObject JavaObject.getInstance(Object, boolean) converts (or wraps) a Java object to a Lisp object, if the boolean is true (else it just wraps it in a JavaObject).

public Object LispObject.javaInstance() converts (or unwraps) a Lisp object to Java. You can invoke this on any Lisp object, if it can't be converted, it will be returned as-is.

2009/8/3 Mark Evenson evenson@panix.com:

On 8/2/09 7:15 PM, Paul Reiners wrote:

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I just finished making the corrections you suggested:     http://www.automatous-monk.com/jvmlanguages/abcl/Armed_Bear_Common_Lisp.html I also improved the format a lot. Would there be any interest in moving this over (or a modified version of this over) to the Armed Bear web site as a start on User Documentation?

I think we would be interested in including your contribution but you'll have to be a little patient with us for a more detailed reply.  Erik, who has a pretty clear idea of presentation vis a vis the ABCL web pages, is on vacation until August 15. Thanks for the proposed contribution! Mark

I have read that doc a couple of times, and I like it. Sure, there's some duplication between that and the documentation we have, and cross-referencing the existing examples would perhaps be nice, but it looks quite good to me. It'll take a while before we can integrate it, as Mark said, because of vacations. Anyhow, I think it looks like a valuable addition to what we have, and also looks like a nice basis on top of which to build further documentation.

2009/8/3 Paul Reiners paul.reiners@gmail.com:

I can do some work on cross-referencing the existing examples.  I'll let you know when that's done.  I can certainly get it done before the 15th.

Erik usually puts under-development web pages under a staging area. I'm not familiar with that process, so I'd rather have him do the updates to the web pages. Thus there's no hurry. :)

Hi Paul,

I'm sorry to be responding this late. I've finally gotten around to moving your contribution to the ABCL website. It's available under the Documentation on the Users information side of the page.

If you have more experience on ABCL and you want to add that to the docs, please, tell us. We can arrange for a login so you can edit the page in that case.

Thanks again and please accept my appologies!

Bye,

Erik.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Paul Reiners paul.reiners@gmail.com wrote:

I did some more work on the page tonight:

http://www.automatous-monk.com/jvmlanguages/abcl/Armed_Bear_Common_Lisp.html

I did the following:

Added some links to already existing code samples Added a "Calling Java from Lisp" section.  This was basically taken from Ville's example code (for which I gave credit and linked to). Added a note at the bottom stating that the code samples in the article are released under the GPL Used the ABCL site style-sheet for the page

I think I should add a navigation bar on the left that links to the sections, but I'm not going to do that tonight. If anyone has any other ideas for improvement, let me know. Paul

On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Ville Voutilainen wrote:

I have read that doc a couple of times, and I like it. Sure, there's some duplication between that and the documentation we have, and cross-referencing the existing examples would perhaps be nice, but it looks quite good to me. It'll

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