Oh, you mean you had this bug before 3.3 already? That's a useful data point!
My mental model is indeed that if something depends explicitly on UIOP (or ASDF?), then something about the "always load ASDF first" mechanism may cause some bad behavior. But I haven't figured out what.
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On Mar 30, 2017 03:19, "Attila Lendvai" attila@lendvai.name wrote:
I still haven't inspected the spurious rebuilds of uiop that happened in some contexts.
FWIW, i also see those rebuilds every now and then if i have explicit dependency on :uiop or :asdf (which i've gotten rid of, so i don't see this anymore).
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Oh, you mean you had this bug before 3.3 already? That's a useful data point!
yes, i already used to see unnecessary rebuilding of uiop several months ago.
getting rid of explicitly depending on uiop resolved this issue for me.
i'm not sure whether explicitly depending on asdf also triggered this, but based on your advice that i read in some bug report somewhere, i also got rid of those dependencies.
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:21 AM, Attila Lendvai attila@lendvai.name wrote:
Oh, you mean you had this bug before 3.3 already? That's a useful data point!
yes, i already used to see unnecessary rebuilding of uiop several months ago.
getting rid of explicitly depending on uiop resolved this issue for me.
i'm not sure whether explicitly depending on asdf also triggered this, but based on your advice that i read in some bug report somewhere, i also got rid of those dependencies.
That would have been worthy of an official bug report.
I'm quite interested in finding out how to fix things, and a reliable test case would have been nice, if possible minimal, but not necessarily.
Problem is: so far I could only reproduce on rather large builds, and I suspect the issue is timestamp dependent, too :-/
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That would have been worthy of an official bug report.
wait, let me be more precise, because i may be wrong here: i vaguely remember that in the past i used to see redefinition warnings issued by sbcl regarding uiop, and it was in a context where it went against my model of reality, i.e. as far as i understood what was going on it shouldn't have happened. actual compilation may or may not have happened, i don't remember.
i didn't file a bug because i couldn't easily reproduce it, and/or i wasn't even sure that whatever was happening was wrong.
sorry for the fog, but it was some time ago, and it wasn't a crucial issue for me.
No problem. I didn't realize it was a bug until I tried a lot of the iolib-using programs from quicklisp that cl-test-grid revealed were failing (for a different reason: the old iolib release in quicklisp is not compatible with asdf 3.2).
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On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Attila Lendvai attila@lendvai.name wrote:
That would have been worthy of an official bug report.
wait, let me be more precise, because i may be wrong here: i vaguely remember that in the past i used to see redefinition warnings issued by sbcl regarding uiop, and it was in a context where it went against my model of reality, i.e. as far as i understood what was going on it shouldn't have happened. actual compilation may or may not have happened, i don't remember.
i didn't file a bug because i couldn't easily reproduce it, and/or i wasn't even sure that whatever was happening was wrong.
sorry for the fog, but it was some time ago, and it wasn't a crucial issue for me.
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