On 14 March 2011 10:14, Nikodemus Siivola nikodemus@random-state.net wrote:

...

• To support Genera, I removed ~@< from our error message format

strings. Frankly, I think cuteness matters that much when printing error.

At least few of those messages could benefit from forced newlines as an alternative. When running Slime in ~80 character frame error message wrapping can be a real usability issue -- impacting many more people than availability of Genera support. :)

You're probably right. Or some #. wrapper to add ~@< ~> around a few of the strings. I'll accept a patch and/or a request for change in some specific format strings. Use git show 2.012.8 to see which strings were affected.

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Ouch, I might have messed up with the SBCL_HOME treatment of 2.012.9. Do you get the same behavior in 2.012.8?

Can you tell me the values of the following

*source-registry* *output-translations* (getenv "SBCL_HOME")

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On 16 March 2011 23:57, Zach Beane xach@xach.com wrote:

Faré fahree@gmail.com writes:

...

Dear ASDF users,

unless you have requests for urgent bugs and/or object to some of the changes I just made (see below), I intend to release 2.013 later this week.

Hi,

I have a problem loading SB-POSIX when using the latest asdf from git that doesn't seem to happen with 2.012. Here's how I trigger it:

sbcl --no-userinit --no-sysinit --disable-debugger \     --load asdf.lisp --eval "(require 'sb-posix)" \     --eval "(sb-ext:quit)"

Produces this:

This is SBCL 1.0.46, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.    More information about SBCL is available at http://www.sbcl.org/.

SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.    It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under    BSD-style licenses.  See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the    distribution for more information.

; in: LAMBDA NIL    ;     (ASDF::CONDITION-ARGUMENTS ASDF::C)    ;    ; caught STYLE-WARNING:    ;   undefined function: CONDITION-ARGUMENTS

;     (ASDF::CONDITION-FORM ASDF::C)    ;    ; caught STYLE-WARNING:    ;   undefined function: CONDITION-FORM

;     (ASDF::CONDITION-FORMAT ASDF::C)    ;    ; caught STYLE-WARNING:    ;   undefined function: CONDITION-FORMAT

;     (ASDF::CONDITION-LOCATION ASDF::C)    ;    ; caught STYLE-WARNING:    ;   undefined function: CONDITION-LOCATION    ;    ; compilation unit finished    ;   Undefined functions:    ;     CONDITION-ARGUMENTS CONDITION-FORM CONDITION-FORMAT CONDITION-LOCATION    ;   caught 4 STYLE-WARNING conditions

;     (ASDF:COERCE-NAME (ASDF::MISSING-PARENT ASDF::C))    ;    ; caught STYLE-WARNING:    ;   undefined function: COERCE-NAME    ;    ; compilation unit finished    ;   Undefined function:    ;     COERCE-NAME    ;   caught 1 STYLE-WARNING condition    ; Loading system definition from /usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-grovel/sb-grovel.asd into #<PACKAGE "ASDF1">    ; Registering #<SYSTEM SB-GROVEL> as SB-GROVEL    (/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp     /home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.fasl     /home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.fasl     /home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/foo.c     /home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/a.out     /home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp)    ASDF could not load sb-posix because failed to find the TRUENAME of /home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp:                                           No such file or directory.    unhandled SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR in thread #<SB-THREAD:THREAD                                                   "initial thread" RUNNING                                                   {10029417C1}>:      failed to find the TRUENAME of /home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp:        No such file or directory

0: (SB-DEBUG::MAP-BACKTRACE        #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA #) {10034F7029}>        :START        0        :COUNT        128)    1: (BACKTRACE 128 #<SYNONYM-STREAM :SYMBOL SB-SYS:*STDERR* {10001676D1}>)    2: (SB-DEBUG::DEBUGGER-DISABLED-HOOK        #<SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR "~@<~?: ~2I~_~A~:>" {10034F20F1}>        #<unavailable argument>)    3: (SB-DEBUG::RUN-HOOK        *INVOKE-DEBUGGER-HOOK*        #<SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR "~@<~?: ~2I~_~A~:>" {10034F20F1}>)    4: (INVOKE-DEBUGGER        #<SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR "~@<~?: ~2I~_~A~:>" {10034F20F1}>)    5: (ERROR        SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR        :PATHNAME        #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp"        :FORMAT-CONTROL        "~@<~?: ~2I~_~A~:>"        :FORMAT-ARGUMENTS        ("failed to find the TRUENAME of ~A"         (#P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp")         "No such file or directory"))    6: (SB-IMPL::SIMPLE-FILE-PERROR        "failed to find the TRUENAME of ~A"        #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp"        2)    7: ((FLET SB-IMPL::FAIL)        "failed to find the TRUENAME of ~A"        #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp"        2)    8: (SB-IMPL::QUERY-FILE-SYSTEM        #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp"        :TRUENAME        T)    9: (TRUENAME        #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp")    10: ((FLET SB-C::TRY-WITH-TYPE)         #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp"         "lisp"         T)    11: (SB-C::VERIFY-SOURCE-FILE         #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp")    12: (SB-C::VERIFY-SOURCE-FILE         #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp")[:EXTERNAL]    13: (COMPILE-FILE         #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.lisp-temp"         :OUTPUT-FILE         #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/usr/local/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/constants.fasl"         :VERBOSE         NIL         :PRINT         NIL         :EXTERNAL-FORMAT         :DEFAULT         :TRACE-FILE         NIL         :BLOCK-COMPILE         NIL         :EMIT-CFASL         NIL)    14: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD ASDF:PERFORM          (ASDF:COMPILE-OP SB-GROVEL:GROVEL-CONSTANTS-FILE))         #<unavailable argument>         #<unavailable argument>         #<ASDF:COMPILE-OP NIL {1003A5CEC1}>         #<SB-GROVEL:GROVEL-CONSTANTS-FILE "sb-posix" "constants">)    15: ((SB-PCL::EMF ASDF:PERFORM)         #<unavailable argument>         #<unavailable argument>         #<ASDF:COMPILE-OP NIL {1003A5CEC1}>         #<SB-GROVEL:GROVEL-CONSTANTS-FILE "sb-posix" "constants">)    16: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD ASDF::PERFORM-WITH-RESTARTS          (ASDF:COMPILE-OP ASDF:CL-SOURCE-FILE))         #<unavailable argument>         #S(SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD-CALL            :FUNCTION #<FUNCTION #>            :PV NIL            :NEXT-METHOD-CALL NIL            :ARG-INFO (2))         #<ASDF:COMPILE-OP NIL {1003A5CEC1}>         #<SB-GROVEL:GROVEL-CONSTANTS-FILE "sb-posix" "constants">)    17: ((LAMBDA ()))    18: ((FLET SB-THREAD::WITH-RECURSIVE-LOCK-THUNK))    19: ((FLET #:WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS-BODY-[CALL-WITH-RECURSIVE-LOCK]324))    20: (SB-THREAD::CALL-WITH-RECURSIVE-LOCK         #<CLOSURE (FLET SB-THREAD::WITH-RECURSIVE-LOCK-THUNK) {7FFFF6D5F529}>         #S(SB-THREAD:MUTEX            :NAME "World Lock"            :%OWNER #<SB-THREAD:THREAD "initial thread" RUNNING {10029417C1}>            :STATE 1))    21: ((FLET SB-C::WITH-IT))    22: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD ASDF:OPERATE (T T))         #<unused argument>         #<unused argument>         ASDF:LOAD-OP         #<ASDF:SYSTEM "sb-posix">)    23: ((SB-PCL::EMF ASDF:OPERATE)         #<unused argument>         #<unused argument>         ASDF:LOAD-OP         #<ASDF:SYSTEM "sb-posix">         17592166825703         0)    24: (ASDF:LOAD-SYSTEM #<ASDF:SYSTEM "sb-posix">)    25: (ASDF::MODULE-PROVIDE-ASDF SB-POSIX)    26: ((LAMBDA (#:G[REQUIRE]13)) ASDF::MODULE-PROVIDE-ASDF)    27: (SB-IMPL::%MAP-FOR-EFFECT-ARITY-1         #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA #) {1003275809}>         (ASDF::MODULE-PROVIDE-ASDF SB-IMPL::MODULE-PROVIDE-CONTRIB))    28: (REQUIRE SB-POSIX NIL)    29: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (REQUIRE 'SB-POSIX) #<NULL-LEXENV>)    30: (SB-IMPL::PROCESS-EVAL/LOAD-OPTIONS         ((:LOAD . "asdf.lisp") (:EVAL . "(require 'sb-posix)") (:EVAL . "(quit)")))    31: (SB-IMPL::TOPLEVEL-INIT)    32: ((LABELS SB-IMPL::RESTART-LISP))

unhandled condition in --disable-debugger mode, quitting    ;    ; compilation unit aborted    ;   caught 1 fatal ERROR condition

The same thing works fine in ASDF 2.012. What should I do?

Also, I use the unexported MISSING-REQUIRES and MISSING-REQUIRED-BY to do autoloading of missing system components. Is there any chance they'll become an exported supported interface in the next version?

Zach

On 17 March 2011 00:22, Zach Beane xach@xach.com wrote:

Faré fahree@gmail.com writes:

...

Ouch, I might have messed up with the SBCL_HOME treatment of 2.012.9. Do you get the same behavior in 2.012.8?

2.012.8 (commit 566a4234) has the style warnings but does not fail.

Thanks! So indeed 2.012.9 is the culprit. I'll work on the style warnings, but I need more input to fix the other problem.

...

Can you tell me the values of the following

*source-registry* *output-translations* (getenv "SBCL_HOME")

NIL, NIL, "/usr/local/lib/sbcl".

Please give me the values of these after a (initialize-source-registry) and a (initialize-output-translations). And also give me (truename (getenv "SBCL_HOME")) and (truenamize (getenv "SBCL_HOME"))

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Zach Beane xach@xach.com writes:

Faré fahree@gmail.com writes:

...

Please give me the values of these after a (initialize-source-registry) and a (initialize-output-translations). And also give me (truename (getenv "SBCL_HOME")) and (truenamize (getenv "SBCL_HOME"))

*source-registry* is:

[snip]

Sorry, the previous email was for 2.012.8. The *source-registry* and SBCL_HOME values are the same, but the *output-translations* differ.

*output-translations* is:

(((#P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/**/*.*" T)
  (#P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/**/*.*" T)
  (#P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/**/*.*" #P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/**/*.*")
  (T #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/**/*.*")))

In 2.012.9 the *output-translations* are:

(((#P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/**/*.*" T) (#P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/*.*" T) (#P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/" #P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/") (T #P"/home/xach/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.0.46-linux-amd64/**/*.*")))

Zach

On 17 March 2011 21:38, Faré fahree@gmail.com wrote:

PS: Nikodemus, in which error messages would you insert newlines?

1. In all ones over ~70 characters long. Exact point doesn't seem that important, but less than 80 at any rate.

2. In ones that have potentially long ~A or ~S bits in them I'd do

"Mumble mumble:~ ~% ~S~ ~%mumble some more."

or similar. "Potentially long" includes all pathnames and pathname designators, lists, and all objects that may have user-defined PRINT-OBJECT methods -- or perhaps more practically, anything that may contain newlines or isn't virtually guaranteed to print as a dozen characters or less.

Cheers,

-- Nikodemus

On 18 March 2011 16:58, Sam Steingold sds@gnu.org wrote:

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1. In all ones over ~70 characters long. Exact point doesn't seem that

important, but less than 80 at any rate.

I think this is wrong. I think the underlying CL implementation should take care of the proper error message formatting, splitting the lines depending on the window

I agree -- but ~@< directives which did that got removed for Genera compatibility.

Cheers,

-- Nikodemus