Hi!
Some person (including me) was wondering when the ASDF project started; on the fediverse someone guessed that the 25th anniversary could be near. Is that true?
Bye! C.
Yep. Sounds about right.
MA
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 5:33 PM cage cage-dev@twistfold.it wrote:
Hi!
Some person (including me) was wondering when the ASDF project started; on the fediverse someone guessed that the 25th anniversary could be near. Is that true?
Bye! C.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 05:51:34PM +0100, Marco Antoniotti wrote:
Hi!
Yep. Sounds about right.
Thanks for your reply!
Is there a chance to establish a, even if someway arbitrary, starting date for this project?
Anyway I hope we are going to celebrate the anniversary, then! :)
Bye! C.
The initial commit in git is:
commit c58257d94bfae7d5a2f527fc1f2d587a0fef8222 Author: Daniel Barlow <> Date: Wed Aug 1 17:52:49 2001 +0000
Initial revision
If you want to find out when he actually started working on it, you should ask Daniel which day he started working on it—or maybe dig the archives of some old forums (sbcl-devel? comp.lang.lisp?).
In any case, you'll have to wait two more years for the 25th anniversary of ASDF. But this year, you can celebrate the 11th anniversary of ASDF 3! Wow. Time flies.
—♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org “I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction.” — Clarence Darrow
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 11:33 AM cage cage-dev@twistfold.it wrote:
Hi!
Some person (including me) was wondering when the ASDF project started; on the fediverse someone guessed that the 25th anniversary could be near. Is that true?
Bye! C.
The initial revision of ASDF was only 418 lines long, compared to 14130 today. The key ideas of ASDF is entirely present in those 418 lines—even though in many ways, the algorithm used is unredeemably buggy (see the ASDF 3 paper and/or my blog posts on the matter).
—♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org “The only difference between a military and a terrorist often is that the former lives off taxes taken by force from the population, whereas the latter only aspires to it.”
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 12:08 PM Faré fahree@gmail.com wrote:
The initial commit in git is:
commit c58257d94bfae7d5a2f527fc1f2d587a0fef8222 Author: Daniel Barlow <> Date: Wed Aug 1 17:52:49 2001 +0000
Initial revisionIf you want to find out when he actually started working on it, you should ask Daniel which day he started working on it—or maybe dig the archives of some old forums (sbcl-devel? comp.lang.lisp?).
In any case, you'll have to wait two more years for the 25th anniversary of ASDF. But this year, you can celebrate the 11th anniversary of ASDF 3! Wow. Time flies.
—♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org “I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction.” — Clarence Darrow
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 11:33 AM cage cage-dev@twistfold.it wrote:
Hi!
Some person (including me) was wondering when the ASDF project started; on the fediverse someone guessed that the 25th anniversary could be near. Is that true?
Bye! C.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 12:14:13PM -0500, Faré wrote:
Hi!
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Thanks a lot for these precious information! C.
cage cage-dev@twistfold.it writes:
Hi!
Some person (including me) was wondering when the ASDF project started; on the fediverse someone guessed that the 25th anniversary could be near. Is that true?
If you need a definitive answer, you could ask Dan Barlow, he's on the fediverse at @dan@brvt.telent.net
Rudolf Schlatte rudi@constantly.at writes:
cage cage-dev@twistfold.it writes:
Hi!
Some person (including me) was wondering when the ASDF project started; on the fediverse someone guessed that the 25th anniversary could be near. Is that true?
If you need a definitive answer, you could ask Dan Barlow, he's on the fediverse at @dan@brvt.telent.net
... he isn't on that address, but in my defense it was rewritten by gmane. Try @ dan @ brvt dot telent dot net
On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 10:38:29AM +0100, Rudolf Schlatte wrote:
Hi!
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If you need a definitive answer, you could ask Dan Barlow, he's on the fediverse at @dan@brvt.telent.net
The funny thing is that I realized that the person I talked with on the fediverse in the last days, is Him! 😅
He provided a link that I pasted below because I think is very interesting for an historical perspective of ASDF development.
https://sourceforge.net/p/cclan/mailman/message/2011712/
Bye! C.
I think we should add this link, as well as a link to the original README in git (which I suppose subsumes the original defsystem proposal link in the archived email) somewhere in doc/index.html.
Looking at said doc/index.html, I see that a lot of references to historical ASDF alternatives were commented out—why not keep them, if only in a separate paragraph or section? Or move them somewhere deep in the manual? I believe they have historical value, too.
—♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” ― Blaise Pascal (1623–1662) On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:34 AM cage cage-dev@twistfold.it wrote:
On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 10:38:29AM +0100, Rudolf Schlatte wrote:
Hi!
[...]
If you need a definitive answer, you could ask Dan Barlow, he's on the fediverse at @dan@brvt.telent.net
The funny thing is that I realized that the person I talked with on the fediverse in the last days, is Him! 😅
He provided a link that I pasted below because I think is very interesting for an historical perspective of ASDF development.
https://sourceforge.net/p/cclan/mailman/message/2011712/
Bye! C.
On 1 Feb 2024, at 11:13, Faré wrote:
Looking at said doc/index.html, I see that a lot of references to historical ASDF alternatives were commented out—why not keep them, if only in a separate paragraph or section? Or move them somewhere deep in the manual? I believe they have historical value, too.
I'm open to an ASDF history section being added to the manual, or a separate ASDF history web page being added that would be linked from index.html.
**But** I'm not open to doing this myself! I would accept a PR.
Actually, isn't this information available in some of the ILC papers? If so, isn't that sufficient?
On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Goldman rpgoldman@sift.info wrote:
I'm open to an ASDF history section being added to the manual, or a separate ASDF history web page being added that would be linked from index.html.
But I'm not open to doing this myself! I would accept a PR.
Actually, isn't this information available in some of the ILC papers? If so, isn't that sufficient?
A historical writeup is right up my alley. I think it can bind together the information that was in the ILC papers.
Is a doc/history.md page alright, similar to the best_practices.md document?
Should I remove the information from the index.html page as I put it in history.md, leaving a link to the new document instead? I'm thinking particularly of the pseudo-changelog at the bottom of the page, but also part of the documentation section, and the discussion of obsolete alternatives (a lot of it currently commented out, but I intend to move it all to the new document and uncomment the stuff there, maybe in a different subsection).
—♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org “Each party only has to LOOK better than the other before the vote. After, it can BE worse. Then the other only has to compete with THAT. Lather, rinse, repeat...”
On 1 Feb 2024, at 12:30, Faré wrote:
On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Goldman rpgoldman@sift.info wrote:
I'm open to an ASDF history section being added to the manual, or a separate ASDF history web page being added that would be linked from index.html.
But I'm not open to doing this myself! I would accept a PR.
Actually, isn't this information available in some of the ILC papers? If so, isn't that sufficient?
A historical writeup is right up my alley. I think it can bind together the information that was in the ILC papers.
Is a doc/history.md page alright, similar to the best_practices.md document?
That would be OK, unless you could put it into the manual. I've been meaning to incorporate the best practices there, but ... in my copious free time! `pandoc` might be able to give me an initial translation into Texinfo...
Should I remove the information from the index.html page as I put it in history.md, leaving a link to the new document instead?
Yes, that would be great!
I'm thinking particularly of the pseudo-changelog at the bottom of the page, but also part of the documentation section, and the discussion of obsolete alternatives (a lot of it currently commented out, but I intend to move it all to the new document and uncomment the stuff there, maybe in a different subsection).
—♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• http://fare.tunes.org “Each party only has to LOOK better than the other before the vote. After, it can BE worse. Then the other only has to compete with THAT. Lather, rinse, repeat...”
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