cells-devel July 2006

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Fwd: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells
by Frank Goenninger 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

> Am 21.07.2006 um 19:01 schrieb GP lisper: > >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:05:51 -0400, <kentilton(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, <kentilton(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven <awolven(a)yahoo.com > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser >>>>>>>>>> (that >>>>>>>>>> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript >>>>>>>>>> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking >>>>>>>>>> windows among other things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nice, what is that system? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> This doesn't seem to exist. >>>> >>>> Could you be more specific? I found the site, DLed the package, >>>> unzipped >>>> OK, stopped there. >> >> >> For me: >> >> ** server can't find http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/: >> NXDOMAIN > Nameserver problem. You on Linux? If so, do: $ nslookup www.prototype-window.xilinus.com and tell us what the output is. Cheers, Frank > Nameserver problem. > > You on Linux? If so, do: > > $ nslookup www.prototype-window.xilinus.com > > and tell us what the output is. > > Cheers > Frank >

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Re: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells
by Ken Tilton 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

Sorry meant that for the list On 7/20/06, Ken Tilton <kentilton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "GP lisper" < spambait(a)CloudDancer.com> > > To: <cells-devel(a)common-lisp.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:17 PM > > Subject: [cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:50:30 -0400, <kentilton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven <awolven(a)yahoo.com > wrote: > > >>> >> Anyway, I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that > > >>> >> look like M$), and then I found a much better javascript > > >>> >> object-oriented window system which can do Mac OS X looking > > >>> >> windows among other things. > > >>> > > > >>> > Nice, what is that system? > > >>> > > >>> http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ > > > > > > This doesn't seem to exist. > > > > Could you be more specific? I found the site, DLed the package, unzipped > OK, stopped there. > > kt > > >

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[cells-devel] Re: web applications with Cells
by Ken Tilton 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

On 7/15/06, Andrew K. Wolven <awolven(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Anyway, > >> I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that look like M$), > >> and > >> then I found a much better javascript object-oriented window system which > >> can do Mac OS X looking windows among other things. > > > > Nice, what is that system? > > http://www.prototype-window.xilinus.com/ cool. thanks. > > > Why do you want it to be lazy? And your sentence is confusing. "Lazy" > > would not be inefficient, it would make things harder to program. > > Puzzled. > > > > kt > > Because a javascript object in the browser would tell a lazy evaluation > system on the server to make it's attributes "stale", but the server would > do no action to update the other javascript object (with those persistent > http connections). The other javascript objects would have to demand a > value from the server, but they don't know that they are supposed to. So > the browser update would never happen. I understand. Lazy works only in certain application roles, and this requirement sounds the opposite: eagerly bring a second view current with the first. Why are you considering laziness at all? kt ps. Did your subscription go through? After I subscribed you I got the announcement from the software that you had been subscribed, so that much worked. k

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[cells-devel] Fwd: web applications with Cells
by Ken Tilton 15 Jul '06

15 Jul '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Tilton <kentilton(a)gmail.com> Date: Jul 15, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: web applications with Cells To: "Andrew K. Wolven" <awolven(a)yahoo.com> On 7/14/06, Andrew K. Wolven <awolven(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Do you use allegro? yes. > I think it would be useful to have persistent Cells > objects, yes, I have done that in the past with Allegrostore, may do it someday with Rucksack. >where the slots are indexable. I believe that Cells flat updates > contents of all dependent slots on trigger. So you can index the slots. > > Anyway, > I have made my own javascript-windows-in-a-browser (that look like M$), and > then I found a much better javascript object-oriented window system which > can do Mac OS X looking windows among other things. Nice, what is that system? > > When the window jumps up, it keeps open a persistent connection (and I'm > reading a webpage on how to do this), the server can send information to a > listening javascript object. Sounds like one could deliver a serious web app with that. > > So lets say you have three windows open, two are of the exaclty the same > object and one different one. From the different one, you drag and drop the > contents of a slot into a slot of one of the two same objects. The second > same object needs to know how to update, right? [this is just a *simple* > example] Javascript does an HTTP request to the server to tell it that it > has been updated, and how. Cells then changes the real object in persistent > clos/cells, the dependent objects then serve *back* to the javascript object > in the browser to update. Sounds right. > > It could be cool. I don't see how to do it with lazy evaluation > efficiently. Why do you want it to be lazy? And your sentence is confusing. "Lazy" would not be inefficient, it would make things harder to program. Puzzled. kt

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