To those who receive 'lite' distros, I also had to whack the uffi and asdf libs. cello runs against untouched copies of those, so you can just grab them from their sites. i promise we'll cut to an ftp arrangement on the next go-round, even if on my own web site. stepping out at 5:30 nyc-time for the evening. thx for all the interest. if anyone thinks they are making progress lemme know and I will stop worrying about porting and start on the missing widgets (and see why freeglut uses 100% cpu on win32). kenny -- http://tilton-technology.com Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film Your Project Here! http://alu.cliki.net/Industry%20Application