Hi - me again ;-) Anybody seen this: I am having a Celtk-based window and am giving height and width upon definition: (defmodel tibrv-console (window) () (:default-initargs :id :tibrv-console :title$ (conc$ "*** G&C::TIBCO Rendezvous Console - " *tibrv- console-version* " ***") :width (c-in 1200) :height (c-in 600) :kids (c? (the-kids ...........) All the kids are using direct placing as geometry control. This results in having only a small window despite the given height and width. Just looking for a solution other than this one: (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((self tibrv-console) &key &allow-other-keys) (tk-format '(:pre-make-tk self) "wm geometry ~A ~Ax~A" (^path) (^width) (^height))) Am I missing something ? All the best - Frank