I think we're all on the same page that our first project should be setting up a collaboration server where we can develop a group website with Lisp on the back-end. If this doesn't jibe with you, speak now or forever hold your peace. This will probably be a relatively quick project, just to get us off on the right foot.
I had a look at Portable AllegroServe, and it looks sexy. I'm voting we develop to this. This is a potentially highly contentious decision, so let's see where other people stand.
We haven't heard from Peter (our in-house web developer and possible source of free hosting). I'd prefer a Linux environment, but could settle for a BSD if that were more convenient. What are you all used to?
We are looking for free hosting. If anyone besides Peter has contacts or resources, please hook us up. I'd be interested in garnering some commercial support, as well. My company (Cleversafe), has helped the LUG a great deal, and will probably be willing to get us going, as well.
- John Quigley
John Quigley wrote:
I think we're all on the same page that our first project should be setting up a collaboration server where we can develop a group website with Lisp on the back-end.
If the plan is to create a web site that encourages collaboration, why not set up something like CLiki? CLiki (http://www.cliki.net/CLiki) runs on the Araneida web server (http://www.cliki.net/araneida) so it fulfills the Lisp back-end requirement and I it would probably much quicker to get something up and running then custom solutions. Sorry if this has already been suggested, I'm new around here, but I thought I'd bring it up just in case.
-Damien
On Dec 8, 2006, at 11:04, Damien Grassart wrote:
John Quigley wrote:
I think we're all on the same page that our first project should be setting up a collaboration server where we can develop a group website with Lisp on the back-end.
If the plan is to create a web site that encourages collaboration, why not set up something like CLiki? CLiki (http://www.cliki.net/ CLiki) runs on the Araneida web server (http://www.cliki.net/ araneida) so it fulfills the Lisp back-end requirement and I it would probably much quicker to get something up and running then custom solutions. Sorry if this has already been suggested, I'm new around here, but I thought I'd bring it up just in case.
Of course, the biggest problem I see with any of this is getting our hands on a host for the web server. IIRC, the person at the *default- chicago-lisp-name* meeting who volunteered to host the web server hasn't been active in this thread. This is probably all a moot point until we have some place to stick anything.
I definitely agree with you that CLiki would be a good idea. We could start with something very simple. John Quigley's presentation material could be the first entry. I would also vote for either Araneida or AllegroServe. I personally haven't used much of either, so I don't have a lot of first-hand experience. I did play with AllegroServe enough to fire an MMS http://tinyurl.com/yfchlm message at it and play with decoding the message. But it was more of a "Hello, world" encoded in WAP http://tinyurl.com/4lgjx. I know that at least one of the subscribers to chicago-lisp has used Araneida because he (Brian Mastenbrook) has made an entry about Araneida on cliki but he hasn't been active in this thread. Araneida doesn't seem to have any documentation at the common-lisp.net site. AllegroServe does at least have some documentation. Araneida kicks AllegroServe's butt in a GoogleFight, for perhaps the lamest possible metric of which gets used more.
On Dec 8, 2006, at 0:53, John Quigley wrote:
We haven't heard from Peter (our in-house web developer and possible source of free hosting).
Yeah, I've noticed he's been pretty quiet.
I'd prefer a Linux environment, [...]
Ah, ha! CLUG CLUG! Eh? Eh? <pause/> No? Group for Users of Lisp in Chicago. CLUG GULC? <pause/> Still no? Oh well.
[...] but could settle for a BSD if that were more convenient. What are you all used to?
I think the decision of and hardware/OS should purely be one of what does the person(s) who will be hosting the site have to use.
Damien Kick wrote:
I think the decision of and hardware/OS should purely be one of what does the person(s) who will be hosting the site have to use.
Agreed. However....
It would be interesting to scare up some Symbolics machines to do something or other - a demo at a meeting if nothing else. Now if one was pressed into service as a web server - not only would it be secure (heh!) but interesting and unique to boot.
Laugh if you want: there are COBOL-run and VAX-run web sites out there..... ;-)
Of course, can a Symbolics machine run anything approaching Common LISP? Might need some greybeard to work on it :-)
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