Re: [chicago-lisp] Thoughts on functional and syntax free languages
Hey everyone. Ok this is really late, and lots of stuff to talk about. First up: The list lag. John mentioned recieving 5 backloged messages. I wrote the original message on sunday the 10th at 3:42pm. When did everyone recieve it? I think i stopped checking for responces on tuesday a little before people started responding :) [emergency at work happened] Ok, now I have some issues, like: Tech coffie is to early to get up I'm in the northwest suburbs (is anyone else in the suburbs, or is *everyone* in the city?) I also have a major issue that i'm not portable. My project is bound to my (huge) machine, and people don't want to let me format thier laptops hard drive when they loan it to me. heh. I've been trying to install to a USB keychain drive. I now have knoppix on the keychain drive, but i havn't figured out how to add programs to knoppix since the filesystem is compressed and appears to be read only. Plus what everyones said so far. Now for solutions: I propose that we set up a IRC channel, (probably #chicago-lisp on freenet), and have IRC meetings at the same time as the code sprints. The idea would be to log in from the code sprint if you can make it, or just log in from home if your lazy. It also means that we could have "satelite meetings" where a couple people could have a more local "code sprint" that was networked to the main one. Also, I like the idea of makeing the code sprints the focal point for the lisp get togethers (especially since I can rarely make saturdays). I'd propose that we make the code sprint/irc meetings the "get together time", and just do the LUG when we have a actual presentation? What do people think? Corey P.S. does anyone know how to deal with the compressed knoppix filesystem? On 6/13/07, michael bobak <mike.bobak@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah! me too. I should be able to catch part of this Fridays.
On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:59 PM, John Quigley wrote:
michael bobak wrote: I had suggested the 'tech-coffee' in my email that didn't go through; but would probably be more interested in this one.
We've modeled this after TechCoffee. Most of us are night-owls so the early morning TechCoffee schedule isn't compatible, if you get my drift. Programming Tonight generally runs from 7p to 12a or so.
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It's pretty easy to alter a Knoppix filesystem, I actually did it for a research thing at my school. What you want to look for is Knoppix Remastering, (see: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto). I wrote some scripts to help me easily re-master multiple times, and there are apparently people working on making the process more automated as well. If you have any questions, feel free to ask! Yacin Corey Sweeney wrote:
Hey everyone.
Ok this is really late, and lots of stuff to talk about.
First up: The list lag.
John mentioned recieving 5 backloged messages. I wrote the original message on sunday the 10th at 3:42pm. When did everyone recieve it? I think i stopped checking for responces on tuesday a little before people started responding :) [emergency at work happened]
Ok, now I have some issues, like: Tech coffie is to early to get up I'm in the northwest suburbs (is anyone else in the suburbs, or is *everyone* in the city?)
I also have a major issue that i'm not portable. My project is bound to my (huge) machine, and people don't want to let me format thier laptops hard drive when they loan it to me. heh. I've been trying to install to a USB keychain drive. I now have knoppix on the keychain drive, but i havn't figured out how to add programs to knoppix since the filesystem is compressed and appears to be read only.
Plus what everyones said so far.
Now for solutions:
I propose that we set up a IRC channel, (probably #chicago-lisp on freenet), and have IRC meetings at the same time as the code sprints. The idea would be to log in from the code sprint if you can make it, or just log in from home if your lazy.
It also means that we could have "satelite meetings" where a couple people could have a more local "code sprint" that was networked to the main one.
Also, I like the idea of makeing the code sprints the focal point for the lisp get togethers (especially since I can rarely make saturdays). I'd propose that we make the code sprint/irc meetings the "get together time", and just do the LUG when we have a actual presentation?
What do people think?
Corey
P.S. does anyone know how to deal with the compressed knoppix filesystem?
On 6/13/07, michael bobak <mike.bobak@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah! me too. I should be able to catch part of this Fridays.
On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:59 PM, John Quigley wrote:
michael bobak wrote: I had suggested the 'tech-coffee' in my email that didn't go through; but would probably be more interested in this one.
We've modeled this after TechCoffee. Most of us are night-owls so the early morning TechCoffee schedule isn't compatible, if you get my drift. Programming Tonight generally runs from 7p to 12a or so.
- John Quigley _______________________________________________ chicago-lisp site list chicago-lisp@common-lisp.net http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/chicago-lisp ps. I didn't cc the list, as it always bounces for me. _Michael bobak@computer.org __ http://chicagolisp.googlepages.com/
Hello John and everyone else I may or may not know.
John mentioned recieving 5 backloged messages. I wrote the original message on sunday the 10th at 3:42pm. When did everyone recieve it?
I've been having mail trouble recently on my end, so I can't be very objective about this.
Ok, now I have some issues, like: Tech coffie is to early to get up I'm in the northwest suburbs (is anyone else in the suburbs, or is *everyone* in the city?)
Same. Well, technically I'm in the city but I can walk across the street to Elmwood Park / Franklin Park.
I propose that we set up a IRC channel, (probably #chicago-lisp on freenet), and have IRC meetings at the same time as the code sprints. The idea would be to log in from the code sprint if you can make it, or just log in from home if your lazy.
+1. Sometimes I just have fairly simple questions that stump me for an hour and there's also the problem of being flamed/ignored on #lisp. :-)
Also, I like the idea of makeing the code sprints the focal point for the lisp get togethers (especially since I can rarely make saturdays). I'd propose that we make the code sprint/irc meetings the "get together time", and just do the LUG when we have a actual presentation?
Hopefully there can be a similar psychology effect as TechCoffee: people pushed and prodded to go finish their projects are more likely to get things done than a biweekly general meet-up (not that there is anything wrong with the LUG meetings; just doesn't seem to share the same goals). Additionally, probably a lot of what we can learn from our peers is through time spent hacking together on problems. That is to say, a lot of epiphany "ah-ha!" moments probably can't be translated to a 15 minute presentation. Cheers! - Norbert PS. Is there a meeting tomorrow night and, if so, is it at the same cafe as listed earlier?
On 6/21/07, Norbert Wojtowicz <wojtowicz.norbert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello John and everyone else I may or may not know.
Hi! :)
I propose that we set up a IRC channel, (probably #chicago-lisp on freenet), and have IRC meetings at the same time as the code sprints. The idea would be to log in from the code sprint if you can make it, or just log in from home if your lazy.
+1. Sometimes I just have fairly simple questions that stump me for an hour and there's also the problem of being flamed/ignored on #lisp. :-)
I agree. I'm hoping that by forcing it to be a local thing, that people will learn who each other are, and interactions more valuable then a average #lisp interaction. Or said more coarsely: Your more likely to be polite when they know where you live. heh (That's a good enough approximation of what i'm trying to say, without me trying to formally model it :) Actually, send your questions to the common-lisp mailing list. We need the traffic :)
Also, I like the idea of makeing the code sprints the focal point for the lisp get togethers (especially since I can rarely make saturdays). I'd propose that we make the code sprint/irc meetings the "get together time", and just do the LUG when we have a actual presentation?
Hopefully there can be a similar psychology effect as TechCoffee: people pushed and prodded to go finish their projects are more likely to get things done than a biweekly general meet-up (not that there is anything wrong with the LUG meetings; just doesn't seem to share the same goals). Additionally, probably a lot of what we can learn from our peers is through time spent hacking together on problems. That is to say, a lot of epiphany "ah-ha!" moments probably can't be translated to a 15 minute presentation.
That's a good point about the "psycology effect". Perhaps after we get started, we should start a "whiteboard" that lists what project each person is currently working on. (projects that people are *thinking about* working on would go somewhere else) By the way, is chicagolisp.org empty, or in a forign language?
Cheers! - Norbert
PS. Is there a meeting tomorrow night and, if so, is it at the same cafe as listed earlier? _______________________________________________ chicago-lisp site list chicago-lisp@common-lisp.net http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/chicago-lisp
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Corey Sweeney wrote:
By the way, is chicagolisp.org empty, or in a forign language?
It's without content, though the Resources, Contact and About sub-sections contain valid info. I'm looking to place articles on the homepage that have been written by us. The articles should be functional language- or programming-oriented, as you might imagine. I'll be writing one, and some language folks with whom I do research have expressed a willingness to write for us. I'm hoping to create interest in our group by publishing interesting content on our site. The language is Latin, and is "standard placeholder text used to demonstrate the graphic elements of a document or visual presentation, such as font, typography, and layout." See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_Ipsum - John Quigley
On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Corey Sweeney wrote:
Ok, now I have some issues, like: Tech coffie is to early to get up I'm in the northwest suburbs (is anyone else in the suburbs, or is *everyone* in the city?)
We're happy to have additional locations in play. I'd still recommend getting out of the house and hanging out with someone else who's coding -- the atmosphere of productivity is too easily dispelled if flying solo -- but that needn't be downtown if you can't make it.
I propose that we set up a IRC channel, (probably #chicago-lisp on freenet), and have IRC meetings at the same time as the code sprints. The idea would be to log in from the code sprint if you can make it, or just log in from home if your lazy.
TechCoffee now has an IRC channel on freenode (#techcoffee, unsurprisingly), precisely to help mediate the remote location problem. None of that's really here or there, just wanted to point out some useful TechCoffee info. -johnnnnnnnnn
Corey Sweeney wrote:
John mentioned recieving 5 backloged messages.
As an update, it seems as though I've been receiving chicago-lisp emails regularly since that complaint of mine. Perhaps there was some MTA issue that has since been resolved.
I propose that we set up a IRC channel, (probably #chicago-lisp on freenet), and have IRC meetings at the same time as the code sprints.
I'm sitting in #cl ('chicago lisp') @ irc.oftc.net, as per our homepage: http://www.chicagolisp.org/ I personally like oftc better, mostly for technical reasons such as their provision of SSL IRC. I also think the board that operates the network is better run. If there's interest in moving to freenode, that's totally cool by me, though.
The idea would be to log in from the code sprint if you can make it, or just log in from home if your lazy.
Sounds like a good idea, though I do very strongly recommend we try to meet physically when possible. It provides a much greater sense of community.
Also, I like the idea of makeing the code sprints the focal point for the lisp get togethers (especially since I can rarely make saturdays). I'd propose that we make the code sprint/irc meetings the "get together time", and just do the LUG when we have a actual presentation?
I agree. We're a programming group, not a talk show, so it stands to reason that our primary activity should be programming. - John Quigley
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