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Processing commands for control(a)bugs.debian.org: > forcemerge 177057 462085 Bug#177057: clisp: base/full in clisp-package Bug#462085: clisp: Please provide a smal linking set Forcibly Merged 177057 462085. > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database)

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[cl-debian] Bug#177057: [Debian] clisp base/full linking sets
by Luca Capello 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hi Sam! On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:09:15 +0100, Sam Steingold wrote: >> I am fine with one package with two linking sets, but having two >> separate packages is IMHO a better solution, since it will help people >> who wants a minimal clisp installation. > > on a second thought, you might be right. > in fact, you might want to offer several different packages, e.g., in > addition to clisp-base, > - clisp-db (base + bdb + postgresql) > - clisp-gui (base + clx + gtk) > - clisp-net (base + rawsock + ???) > - clisp-math (base + libsvm + pari) While this could be a good option, we should evaluate if it is worth in terms of package content and size. > you might also build clisp with dynamic modules and offer individual > modules a la carte. While my previous point is still valid, thank you for the hint: I have never considered before dynamic modules as an option. >> Is there any disadvantage with two separate packages? > > are clisp-base and clisp-full going to be independent? > if yes, which will be used by default? > > I suggest that clisp-full depends on clisp-base and the latter is > _always_ the default (as it is with the normal clisp installation). The situation will be as you have described, with the variant that I still need to think if keeping an extra/dummy clisp package is worth. > Note also that the file clisp/unix/INSTALL has a section "Additional > Information for Maintainers of Binary Packages" with a "Module > selection" subsection. I think it would be a good idea for debian to > follow those suggestions. I have already planned to better check that file, but for the next Debian version, i.e. the first one after lenny. > I am mostly concerned with "offering a uniform experience to all CLISP > users regardless of platform or distribution". I am also interested in "uniformity" and "consistency", thus please feel free to cc: me in any discussion on that argument. Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca

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[cl-debian] Bug#177057: [Debian] clisp base/full linking sets (was Re: [Debian] clisp-dev dependencies)
by Luca Capello 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hi Sam! I moved the discussion about the linking sets to bug #177057 [4] where it belongs to, please continue there (again, no subscription required). I also cc:ed the original submitter for that bug and the one for bug #462085 [5], since I consider the second a duplicate of the first. If Jörg Sommer will not disagree in one week, I will merge the two bugs. On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:44:24 +0100, Sam Steingold wrote: >> * Luca Capello <yhpn(a)cpn.vg> [2008-11-05 00:01:59 +0100]: >>> readline-dev x11-dev et al are required only for building images on >>> top of the full linking set, not on top of the base linking set, so >>> they are at most "strongly recommended". >> >> The problem is double: >> >> 1) ATM Debian does not ship two clisp linking sets, despite a wishlist >> bug is openend for more than 5 years now [4] (with another one being >> very similar [5]). I already planned to solve this issue splitting >> the Debian clisp package into clisp-base and clisp-full, but I have >> not had time yet :-( >> >> 2) makevars wants to include all of the libraries listed in clisp-dev >> Depends:, that is why these libraries are, in the Debian world, >> required. > > why don't you want to ship one package with two linking sets?! I am fine with one package with two linking sets, but having two separate packages is IMHO a better solution, since it will help people who wants a minimal clisp installation. Is there any disadvantage with two separate packages? What do the original submitters think? Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca >> Footnotes: >> [4] http://bugs.debian.org/177057 >> [5] http://bugs.debian.org/462085

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[cl-debian] Bug#504514: [Debian] clisp-dev dependencies
by Luca Capello 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hi Sam! On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:44:24 +0100, Sam Steingold wrote: >> * Luca Capello <yhpn(a)cpn.vg> [2008-11-05 00:01:59 +0100]: >>> the __ONLY__ true dependencies are clisp & a C compiler (not >>> necessarily gcc). >> >> Thanks to `apt-cache showpkg c-compiler` I discovered that the only >> other C compiler Debian ships is bcc [2], which I do not think it can >> be used with clisp. >> [...] >> [2] http://packages.debian.org/sid/bcc > > why?! I am not a compiler expert and I assumed that given the description of the bcc package [2], but it seems I was wrong :-) >>> the rest is FAKE. >> Even libc6-dev? > > I am a little hazy on the package specifics. > can one compile a C file without libc6-dev? On Debian, .so libraries are provided by -dev packages, thus without libc6-dev even the "Hello, world!" example fails to compile: ===== luca@gismo:~$ dpkg -s libc6-dev | grep Status Status: purge ok not-installed luca@gismo:~$ cat hello-world.c #include <stdio.h> main () { printf("Hello, world!"); } luca@gismo:~$ gcc hello-world.c hello-world.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory hello-world.c: In function ‘main’: hello-world.c:3: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in \ function ‘printf’ luca@gismo:~$ ===== > if yes, libc6-dev should not be a clisp-dev requirement > (just a recommendation). > if no, libc6-dev should be a requirement of the c-compiler virtual > package. Apart the fact that the c-compiler virtual package cannot have any requirement (in this case it will not be anymore a virtual package), I do not think libc6-dev should be a requirement. The rationale is that you could want to use libraries not provided by Debian. FYI, gcc only Recommends: libc6-dev. Given the above, libc6-dev should be either completely removed from clisp-dev or added as Recommends:. I would go for the latter. >>> You might think that libffcall1-dev & libsigsegv-dev might be >>> required, but they are NOT, they are already pre-linked (statically) >>> into lisp.a. >> >> According to Debian bug #468090 [3], libffcall1 is not statically >> pre-linked into lisp.a, but I have never tested for this. > > even if it is not, > http://packages.debian.org/sid/alpha/libffcall1/filelist > says that libcallback.so is in the libffcall1 package, not > libffcall1-dev. Actually, is the other way around: libffcall1 provides the versioned runtime libraries (the physical .so.0.0.0 file and the .so.0 symlink), while libffcall1-dev provides the developmental one (the .so symlink). Thus, if clisp-dev needs plain .so libraries it needs to Depends: on the packages providing them. Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca

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[cl-debian] [ann] [cl-wiki-announce] New Release CL-WIKI 0.3.2
by Stefan Scholl 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

New release CL-WIKI 0.3.2 CL-WIKI is a wiki engine for Common Lisp. It uses Hunchentoot, CL-PPCRE, CL-WHO and CL-EMB. Can be used stand-alone, with Apache + mod_lisp, or behind any http proxy. You can download it from http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-wiki/ or install with ASDF-Install. CL-USER> (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :asdf-install) CL-USER> (asdf-install:install :cl-wiki) Changes: - Regexp/rendering speedup. Thanks to Ralf Stoye. Nice performance gain, seen on Clozure and SBCL. _______________________________________________ cl-wiki-announce mailing list cl-wiki-announce(a)common-lisp.net http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cl-wiki-announce _______________________________________________ announcements site list announcements(a)common-lisp.net http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/announcements

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