Hi all! Cc:ing all the people invoveld in Common Lisp work on Debian, sorry if you receive this mail in double. Please respect the Reply-To: and Mail-Followup-To: headers, thanks! Finally, my proposal to going to common maintenance [1] comes to life: pkg-common-lisp has been created on Alioth [2]. Let's have fun! What's done: 1) inserted the project into the Alioth tree: * Development Status: 6 - Mature * Environment: Console (Text Based) * Intended Audience: Developers * License: OSI Approved * Operating System: POSIX * Programming Language: Lisp * Topic: Packaging 2) added old members of the CL-Debian project. If someone wants to be added, she/he can file a request on the Alioth project page [2] or drop me a mail. 4) created the -commits mailing list: this will be close to everyone but mails coming from alioth.debian.org, since I guess this should be the envelop for automatic commit mails for every VCS (this setup should be tested, however). 5) created the -devel mailing list, whose purpose is duplex: being in the Maintainer: debian/control field for every package which is co-maintained and being the official list for the team (thus super-seedingl-debian@common-lisp.net). While in the beginning I thought to migrate the cl-debian@ archives as well, I don't think it's a good idea anymore, so I'll do it only if someone asks for it. FYI, this mail has been posted primarily on the -devel mailing list, please reply there (R-T and M-F-T accordingly set). 6) moved the CL-Debian Alioth homepage [3] to the new project [4], adapting it for the new mailing list and goals, thus removing its "darcs-centrism". There's space for improvements ;-) I voluntarily omitted information about the old "central" darcs repository in the new homepage, because as for the mailing list, the sooner we move, the better is. For this reason, the old homepage [3] now automatically redirects to the new homepage [4]. The next steps are the following: some of them will be managed soon after this mail. 7) migrate everyone subscribed to cl-debian@ to the new -devel mailing list, to promote the latter. In 2 weeks at last the old cl-debian@ will be closed. Is this kind enough to the cl-debian@ subscribers? I'm all for it, because there's no point in having two mailing list: the sooner the new one is used, the better is. 8) since the VCS poll [5] ended with no real decisions, pkg-common-lisp's supported VCSs ATM are, in alphabetical order: bzr, darcs, git and hg. Directories for these VCSs already exists on Alioth: you can migrate your packages, but please follow the instructions on the Debian Wiki [6] and the ones described below. If people state which package can be co-maintained, everyone in the project can migrate that package. This means that the debian/ folder needs to be adjusted: a- debian/changelog: add a note about the new maintainer b- debian/control Maintainer: Debian Common Lisp Team <pkg-common-lisp-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> Uploaders: [who usually take care of the package and the sponsor(s)] c- debian/copyright it should reflect the Uploaders: debian/control field, at least for the Debian-related work. Please send a mail to this list as soon as a package migration is completed. About the debian/ folder, which reflects the Debian work done on the package: I'm in favor of clearly add copyright and license information in the debian/copyright file (as I do for all my packages, e.g. [7]). I'd like that the team agrees on a single license for the Debian work (my preference is always for GPL...), but it it's considered too much a pain we'll continue with the status quo. 9) do we need some other Alioth features, like the tracker, news, task manager or forum? I prefer to keep as simple as possible: - the -devel mailing list for discussion - the Debian BTS [8] for all bugs/wishlists Maybe we should enable the tracker if we want project's problems to be monitored by other than the Debian BTS [8]. However, about this issue, I'm in favor of a Debian cl-debian (meta)package, which would combines this project with a "basic" Common Lisp installation on Debian. This is a very new idea, thus it needs a bit more reflexion. I'm eager of anyone comments :-) Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca Footnotes: [1] http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/cl-debian/2007-October/002859.html [2] http://cl-debian.alioth.debian.org [3] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-common-lisp/ [4] http://pkg-common-lisp.alioth.debian.org [5] http://www.livejournal.com/poll/?id=1097084 [6] http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth [7] http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/stumpwm/stumpwm_20070908-1... [8] http://bugs.debian.org