[cl-debian] Re: stumpwm: Clarify README.Debian - can't understand a thing how to start this wm
| > This is too technical. What is "boot up lisp"? How it's being done? | > What command to run, packages to install. Etc. | | I would say that it's not too technical at all. If you know what | Common Lisp is, you should be able to understand the upstream README. | Moreover, this package is not intended for common end-user, but for | users that have a specific background. | | > Please provide step by stem intruction how to start this window | > system, otherwise README.Debian doe snot reflect the needs of | > regular Debian user. | | As I said, it wasn't README.Debian, but the upstream README. In the | package version 1:20060513-1, I added a README.Debian to explain how | to use the SLIME swank together with StumpWM The debian/control::Description reads: Description: a Common Lisp window manager StumpWM is a window manager written entirely in Common Lisp. It attempts to be highly customizable while relying entirely on the keyboard for input. You will not find buttons, icons, title bars, tool bars, or any of the other conventional GUI widgets.
From "StumpWM is a window manager written entirely in Common Lisp" it suggests, that is is just another window manager only that the host language is common lisp.
Something is not connecting here. - Aa per you explanation, the the sescription string should differentiate stumpwm from the other regular "window managers" by saing that this one is for only people that understand how to use it with common lisp. Without this, the "joe", like me, expects after download to read /ysr/share/doc/<package>/README.* files in order to see what steps are needed to make the <program> work unless it's setting itself up initially at install. | I'm not inclined to add specific information about how to start | StumpWM to the README.Debian, as the upstream README is quite | self-explanatory. I cc:ed this mail to the Common Lisp in Debian | mailing list [1], in order to have other comments/suggestions about | this bug. In case of no activity for 7 days, I'll tag this bug as | wont-fix. Currently - Description does not suggest anything to be different from standard WM - README* lacks information for anyone else but CL-knowledgeable. Please don't go away, before we can improve this :-) Jari
tags 356948 + help retitle 356948 stumpwm: clarify how to start this WM in the README.Debian thanks Hello! For d-d: I'd like a more general advice about the user request, which I'm quite reluctant to accomplish. For all: please honor the R-T and M-F-T headers (no need to cc: me). On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:05:01 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
The debian/control::Description reads: [...] From "StumpWM is a window manager written entirely in Common Lisp" it suggests, that is is just another window manager only that the host language is common lisp.
Well, as I already explained in my previous reply [1], you need a specific background in Common Lisp to use this WM. Moreover, the package section is specifically set to "devel" and not "x11" as most of the other WMs.
Something is not connecting here.
- Aa per you explanation, the the sescription string should differentiate stumpwm from the other regular "window managers" by saing that this one is for only people that understand how to use it with common lisp. [...] Currently
- Description does not suggest anything to be different from standard WM - README* lacks information for anyone else but CL-knowledgeable.
I think that this is a problem not only for stumpwm, but for all the Common Lisp software.
Please don't go away, before we can improve this :-)
I'm still here, just asking more help from the fellow developers ;-) Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356948;msg=10
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tags 356948 - help tags 356948 + pending thanks Hello! On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:22:18 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:05:01 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote:
Something is not connecting here.
- Aa per you explanation, the the sescription string should differentiate stumpwm from the other regular "window managers" by saing that this one is for only people that understand how to use it with common lisp. [...] Currently
- Description does not suggest anything to be different from standard WM - README* lacks information for anyone else but CL-knowledgeable.
I think that this is a problem not only for stumpwm, but for all the Common Lisp software.
I finally decided to provide a binary /usr/bin/stumpwm to start StumpWM. This has been implemented in the following darcs patch: patch-ID: 20070925212754-f6b0c-29f0e2b5d823c5416c1281eee20c413a43d2cbb1.gz comment: Tue Sep 25 23:27:54 CEST 2007 Luca Capello <luca@pca.it> * debian/stumpwm.bin: new binary to resolve #356948 This bug will be closed with the next package upload. Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca
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| | tags 356948 + help | retitle 356948 stumpwm: clarify how to start this WM in the README.Debian | thanks | | Hello! | | For d-d: I'd like a more general advice about the user request, which | I'm quite reluctant to accomplish. | | For all: please honor the R-T and M-F-T headers (no need to cc: me). | | On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:05:01 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: | > The debian/control::Description reads: | [...] | > From "StumpWM is a window manager written entirely in Common Lisp" | > it suggests, that is is just another window manager only that the | > host language is common lisp. | | Well, as I already explained in my previous reply [1], you need a | specific background in Common Lisp to use this WM. Moreover, the | package section is specifically set to "devel" and not "x11" as most | of the other WMs. This is all good, but I don't think visible enough to an end user. If first line in debian/Control::Description would make the intention clear clear, it would solve the bug as far as I'm concerned. BEFORE Description: a Common Lisp window manager StumpWM is a window manager written entirely in Common Lisp. It ... AFTER Description: a Common Lisp window manager Note: this is not and end user program; i.e. a regular window manager. . StumpWM is a window manager written entirely in Common Lisp. It ... That leaves open how to generally resolve similar cases in other packages. Jari
On 12/06/06, Jari Aalto <jari.aalto@cante.net> wrote:
| | tags 356948 + help | retitle 356948 stumpwm: clarify how to start this WM in the README.Debian AFTER
Description: a Common Lisp window manager Note: this is not and end user program; i.e. a regular window manager.
Why not just use cl-launch to make it an end user program too???
That leaves open how to generally resolve similar cases in other packages.
IMNSHO, by using cl-launch. [ François-René ÐVB Rideau | Reflection&Cybernethics | http://fare.tunes.org ] We know how syntax is prefix in LISP, whereas FORTH has a postfix syntax and C's syntax is braindeadfix; well, the syntax of XML is a syntax that is a hardcorepornfix syntax: it does it in the all places at the same time.
| On 12/06/06, Jari Aalto <jari.aalto@cante.net> wrote: | > | | > | tags 356948 + help | > | retitle 356948 stumpwm: clarify how to start this WM in the README.Debi= | an | > AFTER | > | > Description: a Common Lisp window manager | > Note: this is not and end user program; i.e. a regular window manage= | r. | | Why not just use cl-launch to make it an end user program too??? Sure, whatever is appropriate. Please add the needed support, instructions or documentation in that case. Jari
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