From jean.claude.beaudoin@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 20:40:31 2023 From: Jean-Claude Beaudoin To: clo-devel@common-lisp.net Subject: Re: Questions about new mailing lists setup on common-lisp.net Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:58:11 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8662532128142665860==" --===============8662532128142665860== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Drew Crampsie wro= te: > > 1- Is there a web based interface to browse the archive of a list? > > Not yet. It is trivial to do and will be done, but this is the first time > it has been requested ,and there are only 15 or so messages that need > archived (lists are not very busy it seems), so it will be done shorty. It > is trivial to do so : http://mlmmj.org/archive/mlmmj/2010-08/0000002.htmland > http://mlmmj.org/docs/readme-archives/ . > > > 2- Is the mailman era archive of each list now simply > unreachable from the web? > > It shouldn't be. Give me a http:// URL that should work? > > > 3- Is there a web based interface for new users to subscribe > to a list? > > not really, though it may be done soon. But, projectfoo-devel+subscribe(a)common-lisp.net"> ... is easy enough for > now. > > > From what I understand now there is no password associated > with a subscription to a list, nor is there any password > associated with the owner/admin role of a list. > > Can you tell me what you have read that makes it seem like very very > insecure? Also, what are you talking about "password associated > with ..."? > > > Am I wrong > in believing that now someone simply has to send emails > with a forged From: field to hijack control of the list/subscription? > > Well, what made you believe that? Is there a simple way that folks can > easily hijack a list over email? > > As far as I know, it was audited by a company that worries about such > things, http://mlmmj.org/docs/readme-security/ , and does not have a > problem... can you please show me how/where/when you are able to hijack a > list? mlmmj-test(a)common-lisp.net is a great place to start, and please > feel free to hijack it. > > Let me know if I have answered all the questions, and let me know the > security holes you have discovered. > > -- drewc > > Indeed you have answered all the questions I asked and this does clarify the current situation. Thank you, Jean-Claude Beaudoin > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Jean-Claude Beaudoin < > jean.claude.beaudoin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I have been trying to figure out the new project mailing lists setup >> on common-lisp.net for the last few hours. I think I more or less >> understand now how the lists setup is to be used but I still >> have a few questions left: >> >> 1- Is there a web based interface to browse the archive of a list? >> >> 2- Is the mailman era archive of each list now simply >> unreachable from the web? >> >> 3- Is there a web based interface for new users to subscribe >> to a list? Or, do we have to explain them on the project page >> that they need to send email to say >> "projectfoo-devel+subscribe(a)common-lisp.net" in order >> to subscribe to the projectfoo-devel list? >> >> 4- From what I understand now there is no password associated >> with a subscription to a list, nor is there any password >> associated with the owner/admin role of a list. Am I wrong >> in believing that now someone simply has to send emails >> with a forged From: field to hijack control of the list/subscription? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jean-Claude Beaudoin >> >> > --===============8662532128142665860== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZXh0cmEiPjxicj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJn bWFpbF9xdW90ZSI+T24gV2VkLCBBcHIgMjQsIDIwMTMgYXQgMjowMiBQTSwgRHJldyBDcmFtcHNp ZSA8c3BhbiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+Jmx0OzxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzpkcmV3LmNyYW1wc2llQGdtYWls LmNvbSIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmRyZXcuY3JhbXBzaWVAZ21haWwuY29tPC9hPiZndDs8L3Nw YW4+IHdyb3RlOjxicj4KPGJsb2NrcXVvdGUgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIiBzdHlsZT0ibWFy Z2luOjAgMCAwIC44ZXg7Ym9yZGVyLWxlZnQ6MXB4ICNjY2Mgc29saWQ7cGFkZGluZy1sZWZ0OjFl eCI+PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iaW0iPjxkaXY+Jmd0OyAxLSBJcyB0aGVyZSBh IHdlYiBiYXNlZCBpbnRlcmZhY2UgdG8gYnJvd3NlIHRoZSBhcmNoaXZlIG9mIGEgbGlzdD88L2Rp 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