All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
Regards,
Erik
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 23:55:05 +0200, Erik Huelsmann said:
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
It looks nice.
I had a play with the new archives and found something strange with this thread:
https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/tbnl-devel@common-lisp.net/...
There are two problems:
1. It appears to have only has two messages, one from Jingtao Xu and a reply from Hans Hübner, However, there is another thread in the archive that is a reply to Hans Hübner's message:
https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/tbnl-devel@common-lisp.net/...
Downloading the threads shows matching message-id and in-reply-to headers (CABj0bw+=GVc60=Y7F1OX=9F6us5KN6cZvd1yx6xsURsaQa8sKA@mail.gmail.com) so why is it a separate thread?
2. The dates displayed for the messages are in April 2015, but the messages themselves quote dates from May 2013.
The old pipermail archives (from May 2013) don't show these problems:
https://mailman.common-lisp.net/pipermail/tbnl-devel/2013-May/thread.html#37...
__Martin
Hi Martin,
Thanks for having a look around! I think your findings make a nice case for retaining the original archive.
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 2:19 PM Martin Simmons martin@lispworks.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 23:55:05 +0200, Erik Huelsmann said:
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list
administration
and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
It looks nice.
I had a play with the new archives and found something strange with this thread:
https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/tbnl-devel@common-lisp.net/...
There are two problems:
- It appears to have only has two messages, one from Jingtao Xu and a
reply from Hans Hübner, However, there is another thread in the archive that is a reply to Hans Hübner's message:
https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/tbnl-devel@common-lisp.net/...
Downloading the threads shows matching message-id and in-reply-to headers (CABj0bw+=GVc60=Y7F1OX=9F6us5KN6cZvd1yx6xsURsaQa8sKA@mail.gmail.com) so why is it a separate thread?
I have no idea at all. In the original archive, they're indeed all part of a single thread. I had no trouble using the administrative interface to merge the various threads into a single one, but it was manual work indeed. I did search around on the web, but didn't find any information or complaints about others running into the same problems...
- The dates displayed for the messages are in April 2015, but the messages
themselves quote dates from May 2013.
The old pipermail archives (from May 2013) don't show these problems:
https://mailman.common-lisp.net/pipermail/tbnl-devel/2013-May/thread.html#37...
This one I understand better: the migration procedure suggests to check the historic mboxes for import problems, including date formatting issues. The pre-import check script I was supposed to use did change(fix?) some dates; apparently, not all for the better. There's two ways forward on this one: we can leave them as-is and keep hosting the original archives. Or I could throw away the original imports and re-import (hoping the import scripts didn't fix more than incorrectly fixing these dates). I'm inclined to do the former, because I know that there were a few mails discarded for not being ascii-only mail headers (possibly someone used UTF8 or Latin1 characters in their name, which isn't allowed by the RFCs).
Regards,
Erik.
On 7/12/23 14:55, Erik Huelsmann wrote:
All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
I checked the recently moved cmucl-cvs https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/cmucl-cvs@common-lisp.net/ archive.
It looks as I would expect. The only thing that I wish it did is show the HTML version of the mail instead of the plain text since I’m using a browser to view the archive. I can scroll down to the bottom of the message and view the attachment that contains the HTML version, so at least it’s there. When I read the messages (sent to the list and not the archive) with gmail (or Thunderbird or GNUS), I see the html version of the message.
Not a big problem if this is not easy to do. The info is there if I really want to see the html version.
That’s an issue related to mime-multipart support. GUI oriented email readers (for example) prefer the HTML part, while text oriented email readers prefer the text part. It used to be the case that each type could be configured according to the user’s preference, but I’m not sure that’s common now.
To address your question directly, unless the mailman3 is configurable to do both, a decision would be required as to which to use (assuming the default to text isn’t the only option).
— jb On Jul 14, 2023 at 18:35 -0400, Raymond Toy toy.raymond@gmail.com, wrote:
On 7/12/23 14:55, Erik Huelsmann wrote:
All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
I checked the recently moved cmucl-cvs archive. It looks as I would expect. The only thing that I wish it did is show the HTML version of the mail instead of the plain text since I’m using a browser to view the archive. I can scroll down to the bottom of the message and view the attachment that contains the HTML version, so at least it’s there. When I read the messages (sent to the list and not the archive) with gmail (or Thunderbird or GNUS), I see the html version of the message. Not a big problem if this is not easy to do. The info is there if I really want to see the html version.
This link ( https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/do...) may be the relevant configuration concepts to be able to choose html versus text versions.
— jb On Jul 14, 2023 at 18:35 -0400, Raymond Toy toy.raymond@gmail.com, wrote:
On 7/12/23 14:55, Erik Huelsmann wrote:
All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
I checked the recently moved cmucl-cvs archive. It looks as I would expect. The only thing that I wish it did is show the HTML version of the mail instead of the plain text since I’m using a browser to view the archive. I can scroll down to the bottom of the message and view the attachment that contains the HTML version, so at least it’s there. When I read the messages (sent to the list and not the archive) with gmail (or Thunderbird or GNUS), I see the html version of the message. Not a big problem if this is not easy to do. The info is there if I really want to see the html version.
On 7/14/23 3:51 PM, Jon Boone wrote:
This link ( https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/do...) may be the relevant configuration concepts to be able to choose html versus text versions.
That's a good reason not show the html version by default. Unfortunate, but we don't really need to burden the machine(s) to handle this. If it's really important to me to see the html version, I can always click on the html attachment.
— jb On Jul 14, 2023 at 18:35 -0400, Raymond Toy toy.raymond@gmail.com, wrote:
On 7/12/23 14:55, Erik Huelsmann wrote:
All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
I checked the recently moved cmucl-cvs https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/cmucl-cvs@common-lisp.net/ archive.
It looks as I would expect. The only thing that I wish it did is show the HTML version of the mail instead of the plain text since I’m using a browser to view the archive. I can scroll down to the bottom of the message and view the attachment that contains the HTML version, so at least it’s there. When I read the messages (sent to the list and not the archive) with gmail (or Thunderbird or GNUS), I see the html version of the message.
Not a big problem if this is not easy to do. The info is there if I really want to see the html version.
And this issue may explain that it can’t currently be done without an external assist: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/476
— jb On Jul 14, 2023 at 18:35 -0400, Raymond Toy toy.raymond@gmail.com, wrote:
On 7/12/23 14:55, Erik Huelsmann wrote:
All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
I checked the recently moved cmucl-cvs archive. It looks as I would expect. The only thing that I wish it did is show the HTML version of the mail instead of the plain text since I’m using a browser to view the archive. I can scroll down to the bottom of the message and view the attachment that contains the HTML version, so at least it’s there. When I read the messages (sent to the list and not the archive) with gmail (or Thunderbird or GNUS), I see the html version of the message. Not a big problem if this is not easy to do. The info is there if I really want to see the html version.
Hey Jon!
Are you still with us? We'd like to get the cl.net services moved over to a new host and could use someone to coordinate that.
Basically I'm trying to get a Website Working Committee officially formed, and was hoping you could play a coordinating role in that...
I haven't seen you in IRC lately, so just asking...
Dave
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 7:00 PM Jon Boone ipmonger@delamancha.org wrote:
And this issue may explain that it can’t currently be done without an external assist: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/476
— jb On Jul 14, 2023 at 18:35 -0400, Raymond Toy toy.raymond@gmail.com, wrote:
On 7/12/23 14:55, Erik Huelsmann wrote:
All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
I checked the recently moved cmucl-cvs https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/cmucl-cvs@common-lisp.net/ archive.
It looks as I would expect. The only thing that I wish it did is show the HTML version of the mail instead of the plain text since I’m using a browser to view the archive. I can scroll down to the bottom of the message and view the attachment that contains the HTML version, so at least it’s there. When I read the messages (sent to the list and not the archive) with gmail (or Thunderbird or GNUS), I see the html version of the message.
Not a big problem if this is not easy to do. The info is there if I really want to see the html version.
... And anyone else on this email list who would be willing to be on the Website Working Committee, please reply directly to me!
There'll be no pay (for now at least) but there will be great learning & networking opportunities, and you will be helping the CL community.
Thanks!
Dave
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 3:28 PM Dave Cooper david.cooper@genworks.com wrote:
Hey Jon!
Are you still with us? We'd like to get the cl.net services moved over to a new host and could use someone to coordinate that.
Basically I'm trying to get a Website Working Committee officially formed, and was hoping you could play a coordinating role in that...
I haven't seen you in IRC lately, so just asking...
Dave
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 7:00 PM Jon Boone ipmonger@delamancha.org wrote:
And this issue may explain that it can’t currently be done without an external assist: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/476
— jb On Jul 14, 2023 at 18:35 -0400, Raymond Toy toy.raymond@gmail.com, wrote:
On 7/12/23 14:55, Erik Huelsmann wrote:
All,
The web interface for the new mailman version is at https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/postorius/ for mailing list administration and https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/ for the archives.
Let me know if you find irregularities or have other remarks.
I checked the recently moved cmucl-cvs https://mailman3.common-lisp.net/hyperkitty/list/cmucl-cvs@common-lisp.net/ archive.
It looks as I would expect. The only thing that I wish it did is show the HTML version of the mail instead of the plain text since I’m using a browser to view the archive. I can scroll down to the bottom of the message and view the attachment that contains the HTML version, so at least it’s there. When I read the messages (sent to the list and not the archive) with gmail (or Thunderbird or GNUS), I see the html version of the message.
Not a big problem if this is not easy to do. The info is there if I really want to see the html version.
-- My Best,
Dave Cooper, david.cooper@genworks.com genworks.com, gendl.org +1 248-330-2979
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