Dear all, I understand that the service provided by cl.net is purely voluntary, free and that yadda, yadda, yadda. But the pages appearing when one goes to http://common-lisp.net is simply not useful. The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it? Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a few. Also, I do not understand why, even if "the server must move" it also had to "move to a complicated web infrastructure that has many more things that can go wrong". I don't know about other people, but I'd vote for the restoration of the previous version of the overall infrastructure. All the best... -- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. Please do not forward this email without asking me first.
The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it?
http://common-lisp.net/news/2013/04/22_projects-site.html
Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a few.
Strange, as all the mailing lists I subscribe to work just fine ... which ones are you referring to?
Also, I do not understand why, even if "the server must move" it also had to "move to a complicated web infrastructure that has many more things that can go wrong".
What exactly is complicated, and what has gone wrong that is it not fixed?
I don't know about other people, but I'd vote for the restoration of the previous version of the overall infrastructure.
Ok, well, If you want things that were there before and no longer are, well, hopefully others who read this list and have sudo will do it for you, for I did not use/like the previous infrastructure at all. Those who did/do can maybe answer this question. -- drewc Antoniotti Marco writes:
Dear all,
I understand that the service provided by cl.net is purely voluntary, free and that yadda, yadda, yadda.
But the pages appearing when one goes to http://common-lisp.net is simply not useful.
The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it? Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a few.
All the best...
-- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY
Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. Please do not forward this email without asking me first.
"Drew" == Drew Crampsie <drewc@drewc.org> writes:
>> The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it? Drew> http://common-lisp.net/news/2013/04/22_projects-site.html >> Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a >> few. Drew> Strange, as all the mailing lists I subscribe to work just fine Drew> ... which ones are you referring to? For the mailing lists I use, they are working mostly. My problem is with the cvs commit lists. When I commit something to cmucl, a git commit message is sent out. These messages come from rtoy@alpha-cl-net.common.lisp.net. But that address is not subscribed so I get sent messages saying that it's been held and I have to approve (or dismiss) them. First, shouldn't the from address be just @common-lisp.net? It might be a sendmail config problem because the git commit script uses sendmail. This all used to work on the old system. Also, the old mailman software had a list config web page where you could configure all kinds of things. I can't find that anymore so now I have no way of configuring my mailing lists. Can you tell me how to do that now? Thanks, Ray
Raymond Toy writes:
When I commit something to cmucl, a git commit message is sent out. These messages come from rtoy@alpha-cl-net.common.lisp.net
Ok, I just reset the /etc/mailname to 'common-lisp.net' ... does it work now?
I have no way of configuring my mailing lists.
Can you tell me how to do that now?
We can simply chown the control dir your or the projects group, and symlink the $LISTDIR/control directory over to your $HOME (or the /project/$DIR) http://mlmmj.org/docs/tunables/ has the things needed, and for that matter I can set you up with a test mailing list so you can test things out. I do have plans to write a web front end for that configuration. It is fairly easy all said and done, but has not been a top priority, and it is fairly easy to configure at the shell. Let me know what is required and for which lists, and it will be done. -- drewc Raymond Toy writes:
"Drew" == Drew Crampsie <drewc@drewc.org> writes:
>> The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it? Drew> http://common-lisp.net/news/2013/04/22_projects-site.html
>> Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a >> few.
Drew> Strange, as all the mailing lists I subscribe to work just fine Drew> ... which ones are you referring to?
For the mailing lists I use, they are working mostly. My problem is with the cvs commit lists. When I commit something to cmucl, a git commit message is sent out. These messages come from rtoy@alpha-cl-net.common.lisp.net. But that address is not subscribed so I get sent messages saying that it's been held and I have to approve (or dismiss) them.
First, shouldn't the from address be just @common-lisp.net? It might be a sendmail config problem because the git commit script uses sendmail. This all used to work on the old system.
Also, the old mailman software had a list config web page where you could configure all kinds of things. I can't find that anymore so now I have no way of configuring my mailing lists.
Can you tell me how to do that now?
Thanks,
Ray
"Drew" == Drew Crampsie <drewc@drewc.org> writes:
Drew> Raymond Toy writes: >> When I commit something to cmucl, a git >> commit message is sent out. These messages come from >> rtoy@alpha-cl-net.common.lisp.net Drew> Ok, I just reset the /etc/mailname to 'common-lisp.net' ... does it work Drew> now? Sorry for the delay. I wanted to do a commit to see if things were working, and it does seem to be working now. I got a commit message for cmucl without having to approve the message. However, the commit message for oct don't seem to be working. I have to approve the commit message, but the From address is the correct rtoy@common-lisp.net, which was used previously. Dunno what's up with that. >> I have no way of configuring my mailing lists. >> >> Can you tell me how to do that now? Drew> We can simply chown the control dir your or the projects group, and symlink the Drew> $LISTDIR/control directory over to your $HOME (or the /project/$DIR) Drew> http://mlmmj.org/docs/tunables/ has the things needed, and for that Drew> matter I can set you up with a test mailing list so you can test things Drew> out. Drew> I do have plans to write a web front end for that configuration. It is Drew> fairly easy all said and done, but has not been a top priority, and it Drew> is fairly easy to configure at the shell. I prefer a web front end because it's not something I plan on doing very often, so gui like things are perfect for that, if the configuration isn't too complicated. Drew> Let me know what is required and for which lists, and it will be done. Not sure what's really needed, but something like the old mailman interface would be nice. At the very list, being able to get a list of subscribers, adding/removing/ subscribers, configuring max message sizes, digests, how to handle moderation, etc. Ray
On Apr 26, 2013, at 06:16 , Raymond Toy <toy.raymond@gmail.com> wrote:
Drew> Let me know what is required and for which lists, and it will be done.
Not sure what's really needed, but something like the old mailman interface would be nice. At the very list, being able to get a list of subscribers, adding/removing/ subscribers, configuring max message sizes, digests, how to handle moderation, etc.
Yes. And my question stands. Is Mailiman still used or not? -- Marco Antoniotti
Hi Marco, On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu>wrote:
On Apr 26, 2013, at 06:16 , Raymond Toy <toy.raymond@gmail.com> wrote:
Drew> Let me know what is required and for which lists, and it will
be done.
Not sure what's really needed, but something like the old mailman interface would be nice. At the very list, being able to get a list of subscribers, adding/removing/ subscribers, configuring max message sizes, digests, how to handle moderation, etc.
Yes. And my question stands. Is Mailiman still used or not?
Absent any other answers to your question: From other conversations on this list, I gather it's been replaced by mlmmj. Apparently it's no longer an option to have mailman. Regards, Erik.
On Apr 26, 2013, at 21:20 , Erik Huelsmann <ehuels@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Marco,
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
On Apr 26, 2013, at 06:16 , Raymond Toy <toy.raymond@gmail.com> wrote:
Drew> Let me know what is required and for which lists, and it will be done.
Not sure what's really needed, but something like the old mailman interface would be nice. At the very list, being able to get a list of subscribers, adding/removing/ subscribers, configuring max message sizes, digests, how to handle moderation, etc.
Yes. And my question stands. Is Mailiman still used or not?
Absent any other answers to your question: From other conversations on this list, I gather it's been replaced by mlmmj. Apparently it's no longer an option to have mailman.
Yes, Drew has told me so privately (meanwhile, because of problems with our sysadmins locally, I did miss some threads in the discussion). In any case. Personally I don't have a stake in Mailman. What I care is about the service and the usability of the system. If mimmm (which I do not know at all - I just hope it is not like SubEtha, with which I ended up having major problems after a few years) has a strict superset of the facilities of Mailman be it. My experience is that Mailman "just works". Other mailing list servers, weeeeellllll….. I just notice that most mailing lists are not working (yet), that's all. It also appears that they are being fixed one by one on a per-request basis. Cheers -- MA
Hi On Apr 22, 2013, at 23:03 , Drew Crampsie <drewc@drewc.org<mailto:drewc@drewc.org>> wrote: The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it? http://common-lisp.net/news/2013/04/22_projects-site.html Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a few. Strange, as all the mailing lists I subscribe to work just fine ... which ones are you referring to? You are not subscribing to the important ones :) :) :) This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net<mailto:cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net> Reporting-MTA: dns;mail.disco.unimib.it<http://mail.disco.unimib.it> Received-From-MTA: dns;[192.168.0.100] Arrival-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:48:27 +0200 Final-Recipient: rfc822;cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net<mailto:cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net> Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 5.1.1 <cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net<mailto:cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net>>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table From: Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu<mailto:marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu>> Subject: Test again…. Ignore Date: April 23, 2013 10:48:25 PM GMT+02:00 To: "cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net<mailto:cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net>" <cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net> Sorry. -- Also, I do not understand why, even if "the server must move" it also had to "move to a complicated web infrastructure that has many more things that can go wrong". What exactly is complicated, and what has gone wrong that is it not fixed? Well, I find the presentation cluttered. There is a lot of stuff that I don't think needs to be there; e.g. the Twitter thingy. Also, several of the blog/wiki/forum stuff is just confusing (at least it is to me). I don't know about other people, but I'd vote for the restoration of the previous version of the overall infrastructure. Ok, well, If you want things that were there before and no longer are, well, hopefully others who read this list and have sudo will do it for you, for I did not use/like the previous infrastructure at all. Those who did/do can maybe answer this question. Fair enough. In any case, The Project List should be clearly shown on the front page. I found it by chance hitting "Community". Cheers -- MA -- drewc Antoniotti Marco writes: Dear all, I understand that the service provided by cl.net<http://cl.net> is purely voluntary, free and that yadda, yadda, yadda. But the pages appearing when one goes to http://common-lisp.net is simply not useful. The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it? Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a few. All the best... -- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. Please do not forward this email without asking me first. -- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. Please do not forward this email without asking me first.
Ok, I just fwd'ed the mail that was sent a while ago about the mailing lists to the other email address that you use, I suppose. I hope you get it. If there are issues, or there was issues with the first one, let me know and we will see why it did not go through. Do you have suggestions for the layout of the front page? Also, what wiki/forum are you referring to? There is a blog with comments, but there is no wiki or forum on that site... there is cliki.net, and the alu wiki. I do not run them at all, but I can put you in touch with those that do. -- drewc On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Antoniotti Marco < antoniotti.marco@disco.unimib.it> wrote:
Hi
On Apr 22, 2013, at 23:03 , Drew Crampsie <drewc@drewc.org> wrote:
The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it?
http://common-lisp.net/news/2013/04/22_projects-site.html
Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a few.
Strange, as all the mailing lists I subscribe to work just fine ... which ones are you referring to?
You are not subscribing to the important ones :) :) :)
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From: Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> Subject: Test again…. Ignore Date: April 23, 2013 10:48:25 PM GMT+02:00 To: "cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net" < cl-unification-devel@common-lisp.net>
Sorry. --
Also, I do not understand why, even if "the server must move" it also had to "move to a complicated web infrastructure that has many more things that can go wrong".
What exactly is complicated, and what has gone wrong that is it not fixed?
Well, I find the presentation cluttered. There is a lot of stuff that I don't think needs to be there; e.g. the Twitter thingy. Also, several of the blog/wiki/forum stuff is just confusing (at least it is to me).
I don't know about other people, but I'd vote for the restoration of the previous version of the overall infrastructure.
Ok, well, If you want things that were there before and no longer are, well, hopefully others who read this list and have sudo will do it for you, for I did not use/like the previous infrastructure at all.
Those who did/do can maybe answer this question.
Fair enough.
In any case, The Project List should be clearly shown on the front page. I found it by chance hitting "Community".
Cheers -- MA
-- drewc
Antoniotti Marco writes:
Dear all,
I understand that the service provided by cl.net is purely voluntary, free and that yadda, yadda, yadda.
But the pages appearing when one goes to http://common-lisp.net is simply not useful.
The main thing missing is the list of projects. Where is it? Also, the mailing lists do not appear to work anymore. Not just a few.
All the best...
-- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY
Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. Please do not forward this email without asking me first.
-- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY
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Raymond Toy