November 2004 - eurolisp - mailman3.common-lisp.net

[eurolisp] Reminder: Meeting in Hamburg this Sunday
by Edi Weitz 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hi! Just a reminder: The next meeting of Hamburg Lispers will be on Sunday (the day after tomorrow) at 2pm at the Landesjugendring Hamburg[1], Güntherstr. 34. This is the same location we had the last time, in case you were there. Preliminary schedule: 14.15 - 15.00: Lothar Hotz NetCLOS <http://lki-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~hotz/home.html> 15.15 - 16.00: Pascal Costanza AspectL <http://common-lisp.net/project/aspectl/> 16.15 - 17.00: Manuel Odendahl bknr <http://bknr.net/bknr> 17.15 - 17.45: Arthur Lemmens The "CL-USER" project Afterwards, there's a chance to talk, drink, and eat at the "Literaturhaus Café"[2] at 7pm. Please send a short email if you want to come with us so I can make a reservation. Cheers, Edi. [1] <http://www.ljr-hh.de/> [2] <http://www.literaturhaus-hamburg.de/>

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[eurolisp] Functioneel Programmeren in Onderwijs: 7 januari (sorry, Dutch only)
by Willem Broekema 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

[This is a Dutch one-day conference on using functional programming in university education. It's probably mostly about languages like Haskell and Helium, not Lisp. The talks will be in Dutch. I'm not involved in its organization, just promoting it a bit.] -- Er worden op de "FP-dag" door informatica-docenten van vooral universteiten wat praatjes gegeven over hoe functioneel programmeren wordt onderwezen, in welke talen, hoe studenten dat ervaren, en wat er beter kan. Hoewel niet over Lisp, maar vooral over Haskell en het Nijmeegse Helium, vond ik het wel interessant de vorige keer, dus daarom ga ik er weer heen. Het is in Groningen, 7 januari, tijd nog onbekend (uur of 10?), plaats: Senaatszaal van Academiegebouw (centrum). Dit keer georganiseerd door mensen van de Rijksuniversiteit Groningen. Info over vorige keer, toen het in Enschede was en er nog een andere BeNeLux-Lisper was: <http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~jankuper/fpdag2004.html> Mijn verslagje van vorige keer: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/benelux-lispers/message/52> Mailing list, met sporadisch discussie/aankondiging: <https://mail.cs.uu.nl/pipermail/fp-nl/2004-November/thread.html> - Willem

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[eurolisp] BetaLambda: Third Berlin LISP User Group Meeting
by Hans Hübner 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

Hi all, on Monday, the 29. November 2004 at 19:00 hours, the third monthly Berlin LISP User groups' meeting takes place at c-base (http://c-base.org/) Please join in to talk about LISP and associated topics. Die c-base befindet sich im Erdgeschoß des zweiten Hinterhauses in der Rungestraße 20 in Berlin Mitte. Falls die Tür im Durchgang abgeschlossen ist, muß man hinten am Ufer durch die Glastür gehen. Nicht verzagen. Greetings, Hans

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[eurolisp] Next Hamburg meeting
by Edi Weitz 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

The next meeting of Hamburg lispers will be on November 28. Details: Sunday, 2004-11-28, 14.00 Landesjugendring Hamburg Güntherstr. 34 22087 Hamburg We will have four talks at this meeting: - Pascal Costanza AspectL <http://common-lisp.net/project/aspectl/> - Mario Mommer (incf ffi) - a framework for convenient inclusion of foreign libraries into CL - Manuel Odendahl bknr <http://bknr.net/bknr> - Lothar Hotz NetCLOS <http://lki-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~hotz/home.html> If people are coming from outside of Hamburg and are planning to arrive earlier please let me know. We might try to arrange for a dinner on Saturday evening. The original plan was to have a "large" meeting with international participants (like Amsterdam in September) in March 2005, so this November meeting was intended to be "small" instead. From the list of speakers you'll realize that it's not "small" at all. Anyway, there will nevertheless be another meeting in March and if whether you're from Hamburg or not you're encouraged to come to both meetings, of course... :) Cheers, Edi.

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[eurolisp] http://www.dirkgerrits.com/erlisp/roadmap.html
by Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

Dirk wrote: >Is it >just because threads with shared memory and locking are the best we can >do for parallelism, and because socket and RPC libraries are totally >adequate for distributed programming? >I think the answer is no. So do I. Therefore I was disappointed by your roadmap which talks a lot about OS threads and special (thread-local) variables. Recently I came again across Lightweight Languages Workshop 2002 http://ll2.ai.mit.edu/ You'll notice that Joe Armstrong's web server starts where Apache has already broken down due to too many concurrent users. I you go with OS threads, you'll never get there. I reread part's of Graham's On Lisp yesterday. There's one section where he mentions that a completely unperformant but working thing is still valuable to start with because it allows experimentation (similar topic idea in the article about the failure of the NIL machine/project). The reason why I want to depart from OS threads is because I expect different ways of computing arise when "threads" are extremely light weight (as in Erlang or Oz, not in UNIX), like different ways of computing arose when stack space became cheap or when memory became cheap. I.e. these days, many GNU programs allocate a few MB on the stack without shame, and programs long do in memory only what once were expensive disk-bound operations. This allows different algorithms to be used to address problems. OTOH maybe one can wait until a typical Linux can fork a 300000 threads on a 256MB machine (I haven't checked how far StateThreads and the other approaches can go). That's ~1KB per thread! Cf. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MessagingAsAlternativeToMultiThreading Regards, Jörg Höhle. PS: I didn't see a comp.lang.lisp thread, nor a wiki/message forum on your site and I still think eurolisp is not the right forum for this.

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[eurolisp] Beer, frankfurt, tomorrow?
by Luke Gorrie 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Sorry if there's a more specific list for this, but I'm passing through Frankfurt ("am Main") tomorrow from around noon until around 7pm and wondered if any Lispers in the area fancied a beer or two in the afternoon? I don't have any friends there, *sniff*, and I'm making a long flight connection (09:00 Hahn -> 22:20 Main). If anyone is interested then just mail me with Cc: to lukego(a)gmail.com. Cheers, Luke

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[eurolisp] Introductory text
by Pascal Costanza 04 Nov '04

04 Nov '04

Hi everybody, I have promised to write an introductory text for the eurolisp mailing list. Unfortunately, it has taken me more time to actually start to do it than I have originally planned. Fortunately, it was less work than I expected, especially because Atrhur has already provided a very good first step in a recent posting. So I have actually created a eurolisp page at http://alu.cliki.net/eurolisp and started with his text and a few minor modifications. I hope it represents the ideas of this mailing list well, including (but not limited to) the ideas of using multiple languages. If people have suggestions for improvement, I would ask them to just edit that page (that's what a wiki is there for), but make a small announcement in this mailing list as well. If someone could provide a French translation that would be great. This would allow our French fellows to directly link to that site. Cheers, Pascal -- Tyler: "How's that working out for you?" Jack: "Great." Tyler: "Keep it up, then."

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[eurolisp] Regex Coach in the news ...
by rm＠fabula.de 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

Just came accross this blog entry: http://powerbook.blogger.de/topics/Programme/ This is good propaganda for LISP - thank's Edi! Ralf Mattes

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