Hi everyone, The deadline for workshop proposals for next year's ECOOP is approaching soon. I am considering organizing another European Lisp and Scheme workshop at ECOOP'06. However, the "competition" is very strong next year. On the one hand, there will probably be a European Common Lisp meeting again around April, and on the other hand it seems that the International Lisp Conference '06 will also be in Europe around September/October. An ECOOP workshop would be in the first week of July. So I wonder: Is the European Lisp community strong and interested enough in three big events in one year, or would it be better to stay focused on fewer events to make them more successful? More concretely, would it be a better idea to skip an ECOOP workshop next year, but only do it again in 2007 when the ILC will probably be in the US again? Any opinion, no matter how bold or moderate, is highly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Pascal -- Pascal Costanza, mailto:pc@p-cos.net, http://p-cos.net Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Programming Technology Lab Pleinlaan 2, B-1050 Brussel, Belgium
3 meetings in 7 months seems a bit much... when do we know where the ILC 2006 is held? Jans Pascal Costanza wrote:
Hi everyone,
The deadline for workshop proposals for next year's ECOOP is approaching soon. I am considering organizing another European Lisp and Scheme workshop at ECOOP'06. However, the "competition" is very strong next year. On the one hand, there will probably be a European Common Lisp meeting again around April, and on the other hand it seems that the International Lisp Conference '06 will also be in Europe around September/October. An ECOOP workshop would be in the first week of July.
So I wonder: Is the European Lisp community strong and interested enough in three big events in one year, or would it be better to stay focused on fewer events to make them more successful? More concretely, would it be a better idea to skip an ECOOP workshop next year, but only do it again in 2007 when the ILC will probably be in the US again?
Any opinion, no matter how bold or moderate, is highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Pascal
3 meetings in 7 months seems a bit much... when do we know where the ILC 2006 is held? Jans The ALU was planning for Cambridge UK in September 2006. We've been slow to get off the ground and our proposed venue won't hold the space for us while we dither, so it's most likely that we will drop back to March 2007. - nick
I would be very likely to attend an ECOOP workshop, if one were held. This is not only because I enjoyed the last one, but also because it would be fairly straightforward for me to get my employer to fund my attendance. On a personal level, I very much enjoyed this years workshop and found it very worthwhile. I want to put together a breakout group proposal for next year based on work I have done recently in workflow based systems and how they could be implemented in Lisp. I think that the workshop format is a unique opportunity to get feedback on ones ideas from a group with a wide range of experience. So, if you can find the energy, please go ahead and organise the workshop again! Barry.
Barry Wilkes wrote:
I think that the workshop format is a unique opportunity to get feedback on ones ideas from a group with a wide range of experience.
I agree with Barry here. The workshop's "unique selling point" is the breakout group format. If you want to hear talks about Lisp or just have a chat with other Lispers, you can go to the ILC or the ECLM. But the breakout group format was a nice intermediate between the "just sit and listen" character of a typical presentation and the "anything goes" character of an informal chat.
On 2 Dec 2005, at 10:46, Arthur Lemmens wrote:
Barry Wilkes wrote:
I think that the workshop format is a unique opportunity to get feedback on ones ideas from a group with a wide range of experience.
I agree with Barry here. The workshop's "unique selling point" is the breakout group format. If you want to hear talks about Lisp or just have a chat with other Lispers, you can go to the ILC or the ECLM. But the breakout group format was a nice intermediate between the "just sit and listen" character of a typical presentation and the "anything goes" character of an informal chat.
Thanks a lot to everyone for their opinions so far. I think I will go for it. BTW, I don't think that the breakout group format should necessarily be a unique selling point of the ECOOP workshop. It could also make sense to do something like that at other events, like the ECM or the ILC. I have always thought that it's a shame that when some of the brightest minds meet together that they don't actually use the opportunity to also be productive together. But that's maybe just me... Thanks again, Pascal -- Pascal Costanza, mailto:pc@p-cos.net, http://p-cos.net Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Programming Technology Lab Pleinlaan 2, B-1050 Brussel, Belgium
Pascal Costanza <pc@p-cos.net> writes:
BTW, I don't think that the breakout group format should necessarily
How does a breakout group work? Paolo -- Lisp Propulsion Laboratory log - http://www.paoloamoroso.it/log
On 4 Dec 2005, at 19:15, Paolo Amoroso wrote:
Pascal Costanza <pc@p-cos.net> writes:
BTW, I don't think that the breakout group format should necessarily
How does a breakout group work?
You can find a description of the idea in the call for papers for the Lisp workshop. See http://lisp-ecoop05.bknr.net/cfp The basic idea is very simple: define a topic that you want to work on, and break out from the workshop (or whatever event) to meet in small groups to focus on just that topic and nothing else. Pascal -- Pascal Costanza, mailto:pc@p-cos.net, http://p-cos.net Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Programming Technology Lab Pleinlaan 2, B-1050 Brussel, Belgium
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:51:00 +0000, Barry Wilkes <wilkesb@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be very likely to attend an ECOOP workshop, if one were held. This is not only because I enjoyed the last one, but also because it would be fairly straightforward for me to get my employer to fund my attendance.
Good point which also demonstrates that the ECOOP workshop and the ECLM complement each other (and don't compete). If you are funded by a university or by your employer it'll be much easier to get them to pay for the ECOOP than for a semi-private meeting organized by two blokes nobody knows. (Not to mention that you might want to go to the ECOOP for academic reasons - publishing papers, etc.) If on the other hand you pay for these meetings yourself the ECLM might leave significantly more cash in your pocket. (Of course, if you enjoy hanging around with other Lispers and listening to interesting talks you should come to both events... :) Anyway, my point is that now that it seems very likely that there won't be an ILC in 2006 Pascal should definitely try to repeat the ECOOP workshop. Cheers, Edi.
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