Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) *`(,values))*)
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
Hi Venkatesan,
Thanks for your question. You've stumbled on a bug that I've corrected locally but mistakenly failed to update on github.
I'll remedy this later today.
My apologies for my oversite.
regards,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) `(,values)))
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote:
Hi Venkatesan,
Thanks for your question. You've stumbled on a bug that I've corrected locally but mistakenly failed to update on github.
I'll remedy this later today.
My apologies for my oversite.
regards,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) *`(,values))*)
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
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Hi Venkatesan,
I just updated github, etc. with the latest changes. Please let me know how they work for you and/or if you have any other comments or suggestions.
thanks,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Thanks Gary. You rock :)
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote: Hi Venkatesan,
Thanks for your question. You've stumbled on a bug that I've corrected locally but mistakenly failed to update on github.
I'll remedy this later today.
My apologies for my oversite.
regards,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) `(,values)))
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
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Now, the variable output works fine. But, I hit another bug:
(log5:start-sender 'mylog (log5:stream-sender :location *error-output* :category-spec '(log5:info) :output-spec '(log5:message)))
When I try to define a sender like the above, I get:
There is no output-specification named NIL. Use defoutput to define output specifications before using them in a sender. [Condition of type LOG5::OUTPUT-NOT-FOUND-ERROR]
Restarts: 0: [RETRY] Retry SLIME REPL evaluation request. 1: [*ABORT] Return to SLIME's top level. 2: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl-thread" RUNNING {1003569571}>)
Backtrace: 0: (LOG5::BUILD-HANDLE-MESSAGE-FN #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>) 1: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER (LOG5:BASIC-SENDER)) #(3 NIL) #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>)[:EXTERNAL] 2: ((SB-PCL::EMF INITIALIZE-INSTANCE) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}> 5864078772937 12) 3: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD MAKE-INSTANCE (CLASS)) #<unavailable argument> #<unavailable argument> #<STANDARD-CLASS LOG5:STREAM-SENDER>)[:EXTERNAL] 4: (LOG5::START-SENDER-FN MYLOG NIL NIL LOG5:STREAM-SENDER)[:EXTERNAL] 5: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (LOG5:START-SENDER 'MYLOG (LOG5:STREAM-SENDER :LOCATION *ERROR-OUTPUT* :CATEGORY-SPEC '(LOG5:INFO+) :OUTPUT-SPEC ...)) #<NULL-LEXENV>) --more--
I will try to see what the problem is, but with my limited lisp skills, I might not get too far :) Thanks for a great piece of code, and your sustained efforts!!
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote:
Hi Venkatesan,
I just updated github, etc. with the latest changes. Please let me know how they work for you and/or if you have any other comments or suggestions.
thanks,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Thanks Gary. You rock :)
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote:
Hi Venkatesan,
Thanks for your question. You've stumbled on a bug that I've corrected locally but mistakenly failed to update on github.
I'll remedy this later today.
My apologies for my oversite.
regards,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) *`(,values))*)
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
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Hi Venkatesan,
I think you've got the parenthesis in the wrong place. Try
(log5:start-sender 'mylog (log5:stream-sender :location *error-output*) ;; <--- added one here :category-spec '(log5:info) :output-spec '(log5:message)) ;; <-- removed one here
regards,
On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:01 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Now, the variable output works fine. But, I hit another bug:
(log5:start-sender 'mylog (log5:stream-sender :location *error-output* :category-spec '(log5:info) :output-spec '(log5:message)))
When I try to define a sender like the above, I get:
There is no output-specification named NIL. Use defoutput to define output specifications before using them in a sender. [Condition of type LOG5::OUTPUT-NOT-FOUND-ERROR]
Restarts: 0: [RETRY] Retry SLIME REPL evaluation request. 1: [*ABORT] Return to SLIME's top level. 2: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl-thread" RUNNING {1003569571}>)
Backtrace: 0: (LOG5::BUILD-HANDLE-MESSAGE-FN #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>) 1: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER (LOG5:BASIC-SENDER)) #(3 NIL) #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>)[:EXTERNAL] 2: ((SB-PCL::EMF INITIALIZE-INSTANCE) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}> 5864078772937 12) 3: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD MAKE-INSTANCE (CLASS)) #<unavailable argument> #<unavailable argument> #<STANDARD-CLASS LOG5:STREAM-SENDER>)[:EXTERNAL] 4: (LOG5::START-SENDER-FN MYLOG NIL NIL LOG5:STREAM-SENDER)[:EXTERNAL] 5: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (LOG5:START-SENDER 'MYLOG (LOG5:STREAM-SENDER :LOCATION *ERROR-OUTPUT* :CATEGORY-SPEC '(LOG5:INFO+) :OUTPUT-SPEC ...)) #<NULL-LEXENV>) --more--
I will try to see what the problem is, but with my limited lisp skills, I might not get too far :) Thanks for a great piece of code, and your sustained efforts!!
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote: Hi Venkatesan,
I just updated github, etc. with the latest changes. Please let me know how they work for you and/or if you have any other comments or suggestions.
thanks,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Thanks Gary. You rock :)
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote: Hi Venkatesan,
Thanks for your question. You've stumbled on a bug that I've corrected locally but mistakenly failed to update on github.
I'll remedy this later today.
My apologies for my oversite.
regards,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) `(,values)))
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
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-- Audentis fortuna juvat
-- Gary Warren King, metabang.com Cell: (413) 559 8738 Fax: (206) 338-4052 gwkkwg on Skype * garethsan on AIM * gwking on twitter
-- Audentis fortuna juvat
-- Gary Warren King, metabang.com Cell: (413) 559 8738 Fax: (206) 338-4052 gwkkwg on Skype * garethsan on AIM * gwking on twitter
I surely am a moron :) Thanks, and you were right.
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote:
Hi Venkatesan,
I think you've got the parenthesis in the wrong place. Try
(log5:start-sender 'mylog (log5:stream-sender :location *error-output*) ;; <--- added one here :category-spec '(log5:info) :output-spec '(log5:message)) ;; <-- removed one here
regards,
On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:01 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Now, the variable output works fine. But, I hit another bug:
(log5:start-sender 'mylog (log5:stream-sender :location *error-output* :category-spec '(log5:info) :output-spec '(log5:message)))
When I try to define a sender like the above, I get:
There is no output-specification named NIL. Use defoutput to define output specifications before using them in a sender. [Condition of type LOG5::OUTPUT-NOT-FOUND-ERROR]
Restarts: 0: [RETRY] Retry SLIME REPL evaluation request. 1: [*ABORT] Return to SLIME's top level. 2: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl-thread" RUNNING {1003569571}>)
Backtrace: 0: (LOG5::BUILD-HANDLE-MESSAGE-FN #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>) 1: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER (LOG5:BASIC-SENDER)) #(3 NIL) #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>)[:EXTERNAL] 2: ((SB-PCL::EMF INITIALIZE-INSTANCE) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}> 5864078772937 12) 3: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD MAKE-INSTANCE (CLASS)) #<unavailable argument> #<unavailable argument> #<STANDARD-CLASS LOG5:STREAM-SENDER>)[:EXTERNAL] 4: (LOG5::START-SENDER-FN MYLOG NIL NIL LOG5:STREAM-SENDER)[:EXTERNAL] 5: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (LOG5:START-SENDER 'MYLOG (LOG5:STREAM-SENDER :LOCATION *ERROR-OUTPUT* :CATEGORY-SPEC '(LOG5:INFO+) :OUTPUT-SPEC ...)) #<NULL-LEXENV>) --more--
I will try to see what the problem is, but with my limited lisp skills, I might not get too far :) Thanks for a great piece of code, and your sustained efforts!!
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote:
Hi Venkatesan,
I just updated github, etc. with the latest changes. Please let me know how they work for you and/or if you have any other comments or suggestions.
thanks,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Thanks Gary. You rock :)
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote:
Hi Venkatesan,
Thanks for your question. You've stumbled on a bug that I've corrected locally but mistakenly failed to update on github.
I'll remedy this later today.
My apologies for my oversite.
regards,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) *`(,values))*)
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
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-- Gary Warren King, metabang.com Cell: (413) 559 8738 Fax: (206) 338-4052 gwkkwg on Skype * garethsan on AIM * gwking on twitter
-- Audentis fortuna juvat
-- Gary Warren King, metabang.com Cell: (413) 559 8738 Fax: (206) 338-4052 gwkkwg on Skype * garethsan on AIM * gwking on twitter
Hi Venkatesan,
I surely am a moron :)
That's very unlikely! :-)
Thanks, and you were right.
Great!
It would not surprise me if you find more bugs and glitches. I've been much too busy in the last few years to devote much time to CL OS stuff like log5. The spirit is willing but the flesh is tired!
regards,
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote: Hi Venkatesan,
I think you've got the parenthesis in the wrong place. Try
(log5:start-sender 'mylog (log5:stream-sender :location *error-output*) ;; <--- added one here :category-spec '(log5:info) :output-spec '(log5:message)) ;; <-- removed one here
regards,
On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:01 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Now, the variable output works fine. But, I hit another bug:
(log5:start-sender 'mylog (log5:stream-sender :location *error-output* :category-spec '(log5:info) :output-spec '(log5:message)))
When I try to define a sender like the above, I get:
There is no output-specification named NIL. Use defoutput to define output specifications before using them in a sender. [Condition of type LOG5::OUTPUT-NOT-FOUND-ERROR]
Restarts: 0: [RETRY] Retry SLIME REPL evaluation request. 1: [*ABORT] Return to SLIME's top level. 2: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl-thread" RUNNING {1003569571}>)
Backtrace: 0: (LOG5::BUILD-HANDLE-MESSAGE-FN #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>) 1: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER (LOG5:BASIC-SENDER)) #(3 NIL) #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}>)[:EXTERNAL] 2: ((SB-PCL::EMF INITIALIZE-INSTANCE) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<LOG5:STREAM-SENDER MYLOG {1003B542E1}> 5864078772937 12) 3: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD MAKE-INSTANCE (CLASS)) #<unavailable argument> #<unavailable argument> #<STANDARD-CLASS LOG5:STREAM-SENDER>)[:EXTERNAL] 4: (LOG5::START-SENDER-FN MYLOG NIL NIL LOG5:STREAM-SENDER)[:EXTERNAL] 5: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (LOG5:START-SENDER 'MYLOG (LOG5:STREAM-SENDER :LOCATION *ERROR-OUTPUT* :CATEGORY-SPEC '(LOG5:INFO+) :OUTPUT-SPEC ...)) #<NULL-LEXENV>) --more--
I will try to see what the problem is, but with my limited lisp skills, I might not get too far :) Thanks for a great piece of code, and your sustained efforts!!
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote: Hi Venkatesan,
I just updated github, etc. with the latest changes. Please let me know how they work for you and/or if you have any other comments or suggestions.
thanks,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Thanks Gary. You rock :)
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Gary King gwking@metabang.com wrote: Hi Venkatesan,
Thanks for your question. You've stumbled on a bug that I've corrected locally but mistakenly failed to update on github.
I'll remedy this later today.
My apologies for my oversite.
regards,
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Venkatesan S wrote:
Hi,
I am a new user of log5 (and lisp in general). When I tried playing around, I found that log5 has a problem printing variables. For eg,
(setf a 15) (log-for (info) "a is ~a~%" a)
[after setting up a sender and importing all symbols from log5]
It prints: 3500123556 (INFO) a is A
I expected to see: a is 5
Is there anything I am missing? I tried grokking the source, and tried putting a , before value in the log-for macro like in:
(defmacro log-for (category-spec message &rest args) (if (%log-p category-spec) `(let ((category (load-time-value (update-category-spec nil ',category-spec) t))) (handle-message (category-id category) ,message ,@args)) `(,values)))
But this did not help. Can anyone please let me know how to achieve what I want? If it is useful, I am using sbcl 64 bit on Centos 5.5 and the latest clog5 (v0.3.1)
Thanks, Venkatesan
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