On Feb 1, 2004, at 9:07 AM, Brian Mastenbrook wrote:
On Feb 1, 2004, at 11:58 AM, mikel evins wrote:
It also seems like we're not that far from having a good start on a CLIM-based IDE if we can get the Listener and Goatee up and limping.
This sounds great! Right now it looks like Goatee is kind of a bare-minimum solution; since gilberth is involved in hemlock too, the idea was that hemlock would eventually take over as the the McCLIM editor, leaving goatee for line editing.
If in fact Hemlock becomes the best solution for a native Cocoa editor, is there any reason why we can't simply integrate it into a Cocoa McCLIM? That sounds like a way that the two projects could share a significant base of code.
No, and it's my intention that Alpaca and Clotho will also use Hemlock as soon as we can get it working properly. I pinged Gary about the state of his Hemlock conversion project, but I haven't heard back from him yet (which is unusual; perhaps he's offline for a bit).
I posted separately that I've packaged a 0.1 release of Clotho. Seems like that's two places to start. I don't see any reason we can't pursue both (and others as well) until it becomes clear that either one is a better idea than the other, or that each has its own use.
I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be a place for the two to coexist: CLIM for people working on a good (and quite possibly platform-independent) CLIM-model IDE, and Cocoa for those people who want a very Cocoa-ish development environment. There's no law against code sharing when we can :-)
Hopefully even a native Cocoa IDE will be able to load CLIM too, so people can use it for writing CLIM programs.
I agree with all of this.