-- Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org for robots: sp4mtrap@endorphin.org From: Clemens Fruhwirth clemens@endorphin.org To: dennis.doughty@pantero.com Subject: A guided tour of CLIM - permission for 2005 update X-Mailer: MH-E 7.84; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.5 (beta22) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:03:07 +0100 Hello Mr. Doughty, Together with Ramana Rao and Bill York, you have authored the article "A guided tour of CLIM" for ACM in 1991. CLIM has changed much since 1991, especially with the release of the CLIM 2 specification. The CLIM community lacks a good and short introduction to CLIM like your article was. I would like to update the examples in your article and also rewrite parts of the article that doesn't apply to the new CLIM. Assuming your permission for this action, I intend to publish this update on my webpage to aid the CLIM community. Ramano Rao as well as Bill York give me permission for this update. ACM also acknowledged this step. Now, I would like to ask, if this is ok with you. Thank you, Clemens P.S. Here are the mails from Ramana Rao, ACM and Bill York: Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:47:05 -0800 From: "Ramana Rao" rao@inxight.com To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" clemens@endorphin.org Cc: "Bill York" york@comergent.com Clemens, Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get my hands on the original tex source for that article. I happily give you permission to adapt the text as supports the CLIM community. I've really been out of touch and would be curious to hear any highlights of what's happening there. Meanwhile, Bill York may be able to put his hands on the tex source. Thanks, Ramana Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:31:21 -0600 From: "Bill York" york@comergent.com To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" clemens@endorphin.org Cc: "Ramana Rao" rao@inxight.com I don't seem to have the source file. Good luck in your efforts. From: Deborah Cotton cotton@hq.acm.org To: 'Clemens Fruhwirth' clemens@endorphin.org Cc: permissions@acm.org Subject: RE: Update to http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=121996 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:56:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Dear Mr. Fruhwirth, Thank you for your inquiry, and interest in ACM publications. Because the article in question appeared in a SIG newsletter, rather than a journal or conference proceedings, the authors retained copyright. In this case, ACM only requires acknowledgment of the original publication. You have received permission from two of the three authors, but you should also pursue the third author's permission, especially since you have revised the original work. Let me know if you have any further questions. Best regards, Deborah Cotton Copyright & Permissions ACM Publications 212.869.7440 ext. 652 212.869.0481 fax permissions@acm.org -- Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org for robots: sp4mtrap@endorphin.org From: Robert Strandh strandh@labri.fr Message-ID: 17326.56044.483289.241972@serveur5.labri.fr Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:46:20 +0100 To: clemens@endorphin.org Subject: forwarded message from Dennis Doughty --U9PbTyCujO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: message body text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We got the permission! --U9PbTyCujO Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: forwarded message Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: doughty@alum.mit.edu Received: from iona.labri.fr ([unix socket]) by iona.labri.fr (Cyrus v2.2.12) with LMTPA; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:06:08 +0100 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (guismo.drimm.u-bordeaux1.fr [147.210.36.243]) by iona.labri.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59080101767 for strandh@labri.fr; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:06:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from iona.labri.fr ([147.210.8.143]) by localhost (guismo.drimm.u-bordeaux1.fr [147.210.36.243]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 30892-06-2 for strandh@labri.fr; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:06:08 +0100 (CET) X-policyd-weight: using cached result; rate: -3.41 X-Greylist: delayed 903 seconds by postgrey-1.23 at iona.labri.fr; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:06:07 CET Received: from s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.net (s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.net [72.255.0.201]) by iona.labri.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id DC7BC101765 for strandh@labri.fr; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:06:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.net ([127.0.0.1]) by s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.net (SMSSMTP 4.1.2.20) with SMTP id M2005122506505622450 for strandh@labri.fr; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:50:56 -0500 Received: from [10.57.103.119] ([10.57.103.119]) by s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.net for strandh@labri.fr; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:50:55 -0500 Message-ID: 43AE87A9.8050908@alum.mit.edu User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: AAFDB8BBFB0D1D47BC52CB46BA499B3E154E0E@hqexch1.cmgt.corp In-Reply-To: AAFDB8BBFB0D1D47BC52CB46BA499B3E154E0E@hqexch1.cmgt.corp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at u-bordeaux1.fr From: Dennis Doughty doughty@alum.mit.edu To: strandh@labri.fr Subject: Re: permission to update your CLIM article Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:51:05 -0500 Hi Robert, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I'm no longer at Pantero and it's only a coincidence that I ended up seeing this email. Absolutely you may have my permission to update the article. Dennis Doughty > From: *Robert Strandh* <strandh@labri.fr mailto:strandh@labri.fr> > Date: Dec 17, 2005 4:37 PM > Subject: permission to update your CLIM article > To: dennis.doughty@pantero.com mailto:dennis.doughty@pantero.com > > Dear Dennis Doughty, > > I am one of the original authors of McCLIM, the free implementation of > CLIM that we started writing in 2000 and which is now quite usable. > One of the things we lack at the moment to spread the use of CLIM is a > collection of simple examples on typical usage. Your CLIM article has > some very good ones, but it was apparently written for CLIM 1, and the > examples do not necessarily run unmodified on a CLIM 2 > implementation. > > Clemens Fruhwirth has suggested updating the examples of your article, > but for that, he needs the permission of all the authors. He has > already obtained the permission from your co-authors, so we need a > permission from you as well in order to go ahead. Clemens would > naturally accept a refusal on your part, and is willing to write a > similar article from scratch, updated for CLIM 2, but that would be > unnecessary work, should you agree to let him update yours. > > We therefore kindly ask for your permission to update the article, or > at least a clear message indicating that you do not give us such a > permission. I am sure you are very busy like the rest of us, but I > would very much appreciate this effort on your part. > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Robert Strandh > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C > or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden > slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --U9PbTyCujO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: .signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Robert Strandh --------------------------------------------------------------------- Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- --U9PbTyCujO-- \