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Re: [mcclim-devel] mcclim-devel Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6
by Irene DURAND 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

Hello, As my paste on irc lisp, did not have any answer, I turning again to this more specialized mailing list. I have this MClim problem. The application runs fine on Linux with SBCL 1.0.13, xorg-x11-server 1.3.0.0-9.fc7, a recent version of MClim. But doesn't on my Mac (Darwin PowerPC) with MacOS 10.5 (leopard), SBCL 1.0.16, cvs version of MClim, Xquartz 2.1.5 - (xorg-server 1.3.0-apple22)(2.1.5). I have tried to create the smallest as possible application where the problems occurs (attached). Just compile the file and launch mini::(start) On Linux, I have the desired behaviour: a circle blinks (red/green/red/...) on the display pane and at the bottom of the window application, the "quit" button is displayed and works. On the Mac, the circle blinks correctly but the "Quit" button never shows up. For a while the application is killable with C-c C-c (under Slime), but after a while there is no way to kill it than to stop Lisp and restart everything (even /the/ <http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_the.htm> X server). Note that this application used to work on Mac OS 10.3 (Panther) with older versions of everything. I suspect the X server to behave differently from before. But now I don't see how to make the application work. This is too bad, as I usually use a similar application for my Lisp undergraduate course. If anyone has an idea, it will be welcomed. Irène (defpackage :mini (:use :clim :clim-extensions :clim-lisp)) (in-package :mini) (let ((colors (list +red+ +green+))) (setf colors (nconc colors colors)) (defun display-function (frame pane) (draw-circle* pane 10 10 10 :ink (pop colors)) (sleep 0.5) (redisplay-frame-panes frame))) (defun quit () (frame-exit *application-frame*)) (define-application-frame mini () () (:panes (display :application :display-function 'display-function :incremental-redisplay t) (quit :push-button :label "Quit" :activate-callback (lambda (x) (declare (ignore x)) (quit)))) (:layouts (defaults (vertically () display quit)))) (defun run-test (name) (loop for port in climi::*all-ports* do (destroy-port port)) (setq climi::*all-ports* nil) (let ((frame (make-application-frame name))) (run-frame-top-level frame))) (defun start () (run-test 'mini) 0) (defmethod run-frame-top-level :before ((mini mini) &key) (let* ((frame-manager (frame-manager *application-frame*)) (port (climi::frame-manager-port frame-manager)) (display (clim-clx::clx-port-display port))) (setf (xlib:display-after-function display) g#'xlib:display-force-output)))

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[mcclim-devel] very good CLIM (and Genera) documents
by Timothy Moore 24 Jul '12

24 Jul '12

I just discovered the Symbolics documentation on line at bitsavers.org. http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/symbolics/software/genera_8/Common_Lisp_Interf… is great; all the other Symbolics documentation will make you cry, in particular the Dynamic Windows stuff :) Tim

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[mcclim-devel] Why is CLIM dead
by Mariano Montone 12 Jul '12

12 Jul '12

Hi. A CLIM/McCLIM newbie here. I've been reading about CLIM and playing a little with McCLIM, and it looks quite good to me. I have been able to prototype some tools very quickly. So I was wondering why CLIM is dead. It looks like it doesn't have any activity at all. And I think it is a pity, because when I first looked at Listener/Climacs/Debugger/Inspector stuff, I thought it would be a very nice replacement for SLIME, for instance. I'm SLIME user, but I think there's lot of room for improvements in the Lisp tools area, and the CLIM tools + usability improvements + possibilities to extend the tools very easily sounds very good to me. Does anyone know why CLIM is not used anymore? Does it have any very bad design decisions? I'm not really sure about output recording/redisplay, etc (I haven't seen theme elsewhere, as if that could be automatically handled in general). Don't know about composability and layout yet (I'm still struggling a bit with that now). And I also see some bugs, like some refreshing problems when scrolling, but bugs should be fixable. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks, Mariano

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