yes, sorry, will send some screenshots later tomorrow

-jm

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Anton Vodonosov avodonosov@yandex.ru wrote:

screenshots or screencast?

04.11.2017, 23:46, "John Morrison" jm@symbolic-simulation.com:

Hi All;

https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui

Interested in (roughly decreasing order of importance to me):

• usability/usefulness
• aesthetics (I am not a front end guy in any language)
• compatibility with CLIM best practices and idioms (as this is my

first CLIM program in decades, or should I say Dynamic Windows?)

• compatibility with CL best practices and idioms (as this is my first

real Common Lisp program after decades of C/C++, or should I say Zetalisp?)

Please be kind, and thanks for all your contributions to McCLIM!

-jm

Hi Anton, it is a mercurial repository you cannot clone it with git.

$ hg clone ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui destination directory: com.symsim.oss.ql-gui requesting all changes adding changesets adding manifests adding file changes added 35 changesets with 77 changes to 15 files updating to branch default resolving manifests getting LICENSE.txt getting TODO getting asdf-system.lisp getting com.symsim.oss.ql-gui.asd getting frame.lisp getting package.lisp getting ql-client.lisp getting ql-dist.lisp getting ql-system.lisp getting readme.md getting screenshots/asdf-systems.png getting screenshots/client-info.png getting screenshots/dashboard.png getting screenshots/dists.png getting screenshots/quicklisp-systems.png 15 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Anton Vodonosov avodonosov@yandex.ru wrote:

SSH also fails:

$ git clone ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim. oss.ql-gui Cloning into 'com.symsim.oss.ql-gui'... The authenticity of host 'bitbucket.org (104.192.143.3)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 97:8c:1b:f2:6f:14:6b:5c:3b:ec:aa:46:46:74:7c:40. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes Warning: Permanently added 'bitbucket.org,104.192.143.3' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists.

06.11.2017, 02:42, "Anton Vodonosov" avodonosov@yandex.ru:

Thank you.

I'm trying to

$ git clone https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui

Result:

Cloning into 'com.symsim.oss.ql-gui'... remote: Not Found fatal: repository 'https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim. oss.ql-gui/' not found

How can I clone the repo?

Best regards,

• Anton

05.11.2017, 20:30, "John Morrison" jm@symbolic-simulation.com:

Just added some screenshots to the skeletal readme file on the bitbucket project page here https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui

sorry for the delay - my first foray into markdown (etc)

-jm

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Anton Vodonosov avodonosov@yandex.ru wrote:

screenshots or screencast?

04.11.2017, 23:46, "John Morrison" jm@symbolic-simulation.com:

Hi All;

https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui

Interested in (roughly decreasing order of importance to me):

• usability/usefulness
• aesthetics (I am not a front end guy in any language)
• compatibility with CLIM best practices and idioms (as this is my

first CLIM program in decades, or should I say Dynamic Windows?)

• compatibility with CL best practices and idioms (as this is my first

real Common Lisp program after decades of C/C++, or should I say Zetalisp?)

Please be kind, and thanks for all your contributions to McCLIM!

-jm

sorry for the trifling (ha) detail of omitting exactly which version control system to use - that must have been annoying to you - will clarify the readme in a bit

-jm

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:41 AM, Thibault Langlois tl@di.fc.ul.pt wrote:

Hi Anton, it is a mercurial repository you cannot clone it with git.

$ hg clone ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui destination directory: com.symsim.oss.ql-gui requesting all changes adding changesets adding manifests adding file changes added 35 changesets with 77 changes to 15 files updating to branch default resolving manifests getting LICENSE.txt getting TODO getting asdf-system.lisp getting com.symsim.oss.ql-gui.asd getting frame.lisp getting package.lisp getting ql-client.lisp getting ql-dist.lisp getting ql-system.lisp getting readme.md getting screenshots/asdf-systems.png getting screenshots/client-info.png getting screenshots/dashboard.png getting screenshots/dists.png getting screenshots/quicklisp-systems.png 15 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Anton Vodonosov avodonosov@yandex.ru wrote:

...

SSH also fails:

$ git clone ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql- gui Cloning into 'com.symsim.oss.ql-gui'... The authenticity of host 'bitbucket.org (104.192.143.3)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 97:8c:1b:f2:6f:14:6b:5c:3b:ec:aa:46:46:74:7c:40. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes Warning: Permanently added 'bitbucket.org,104.192.143.3' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists.

06.11.2017, 02:42, "Anton Vodonosov" avodonosov@yandex.ru:

Thank you.

I'm trying to

$ git clone https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql- gui

Result:

Cloning into 'com.symsim.oss.ql-gui'... remote: Not Found fatal: repository 'https://bitbucket.org/symboli csimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui/' not found

How can I clone the repo?

Best regards,

• Anton

05.11.2017, 20:30, "John Morrison" jm@symbolic-simulation.com:

Just added some screenshots to the skeletal readme file on the bitbucket project page here https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui

sorry for the delay - my first foray into markdown (etc)

-jm

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Anton Vodonosov avodonosov@yandex.ru wrote:

screenshots or screencast?

04.11.2017, 23:46, "John Morrison" jm@symbolic-simulation.com:

Hi All;

https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui

Interested in (roughly decreasing order of importance to me):

• usability/usefulness
• aesthetics (I am not a front end guy in any language)
• compatibility with CLIM best practices and idioms (as this is my

first CLIM program in decades, or should I say Dynamic Windows?)

• compatibility with CL best practices and idioms (as this is my

first real Common Lisp program after decades of C/C++, or should I say Zetalisp?)

Please be kind, and thanks for all your contributions to McCLIM!

-jm

Hi Daniel;

Thank you for the detailed feedback. Sorry for the delay, as I was looking into a few of the following (and making various, mostly unsatisfying, progress)...

- Re: synching on each tab switch & resultant unresponsiveness - I briefly looked into this a while back (because I also hate waiting), and it looked like the app's various display functions asking about version availability triggers the fetches. I also expected some caching, but the slots I thought would contain the fetch results seemed to remain unbound after the fetch. I will look harder, as this smells like I don't understand what I'm looking at. - Re: the dependency graph - FYI is it a dependency graph of the known-to-ASDF systems (often updated after installing a quicklisp release/system). I suppose one could argue that it is out of place here. Please let me know what you think. - Re: the dependency graph - I also suppose one could argue that perhaps I should have instead/additionally drawn a dependency diagram of the selected quicklisp system. I only go so far as to textually indicate which quicklisp systems are provided by the selected quicklisp release, and textually indicate which quicklisp systems depend upon the selected quicklisp system. - Re: single-box t - what is the best idiomatic way/place to do this? I (perhaps naively or ignorantly) expected to be able to do this in the define-presentation-type, but seem not up to the task. - Would you please elaborate on "two layouts?" Do you mean just stop hanging "inspector" commands on the various presentations? If so, I agree I would like to be able to do this (a "release" build vs a "debug" build). What is the best idiomatic way to do this? Should I push something onto *features* and use #-DEBUG or something like that, or is there some ASDF derived system definition idiom?

Thanks again for the feedback, and I will try and address it - especially the unresponsive bit...

-jm

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:22 AM, Daniel Kochmański daniel@turtleware.eu wrote:

Hey,

cool application. My two cents:

• I don't like that it synchronizes over http on each tab switch (even if

I go back to already visited tab) - some cache maybe?

• Fetching makes window unresponsive for a sec or two, maybe it is worth

to consider fetching in background, so user can change his mind and switch to another tab

• I like dependency graph, I'd add some margin though

• For presentations :single-box t, so you have only one box for selection

when you hover with mouse

• Having two layouts - one with inspector and the second without it would

be nice

• Looking at ASD definition - mcclim-truetype is enabled by default now

anyway (it is commented)

• Add dependency on #:mcclim-layouts/tab since you use it

That is what comes to my head. I like the idea and general organization of panes. Congrats :)

Best regards,

Daniel

On 04.11.2017 21:46, John Morrison wrote:

Hi All;

https://bitbucket.org/symbolicsimulation/com.symsim.oss.ql-gui

Interested in (roughly decreasing order of importance to me):

• usability/usefulness
• aesthetics (I am not a front end guy in any language)
• compatibility with CLIM best practices and idioms (as this is my

first CLIM program in decades, or should I say Dynamic Windows?)

• compatibility with CL best practices and idioms (as this is my first

real Common Lisp program after decades of C/C++, or should I say Zetalisp?)

Please be kind, and thanks for all your contributions to McCLIM!

-jm

John Morrison jm@symbolic-simulation.com writes:

Sorry to be terse - am on tablet. First, I am sorry but I do not use slime, so if there is a slime-specific error, I should be of little help. Having said that, while I used to test my McCLIM apps under both sbcl & ccl, I started having trouble with X11 authentication when running under ccl, so I stopped. Do the McCLIM demos work for you?

I will try to run this to ground tomorrow.

Hi,

If this has not been answered already, I think you have to enable localhost access for X:

xhost local:local

Philippe

On Nov 7, 2017 7:28 PM, "Anton Vodonosov" avodonosov@yandex.ru wrote:

...

John, why do I get this error?

Connection failure to X0.0 server display 0: [Condition of type XLIB:CONNECTION-FAILURE]

Restarts: 0: [RETRY] Retry SLIME interactive evaluation request. 1: [*ABORT] Return to SLIME's top level. 2: [ABORT-BREAK] Reset this thread 3: [ABORT] Kill this thread

Backtrace: 0: (XLIB::X-ERROR XLIB:CONNECTION-FAILURE :MAJOR-VERSION 0 :MINOR-VERSION 0 :HOST "" :DISPLAY 0 :REASON "") 1: (XLIB::DISPLAY-CONNECT #<DISPLAY :0 ( R0)> :AUTHORIZATION-NAME "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1" :AUTHORIZATION-DATA #(39 59 136 212 135 94 ...)) 2: (XLIB:OPEN-DISPLAY "" :DISPLAY 0 :PROTOCOL :LOCAL :AUTHORIZATION-NAME "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1" :AUTHORIZATION-DATA #(39 59 136 212 135 94 ...)) 3: (#<STANDARD-METHOD CLIM-CLX::INITIALIZE-CLX (CLIM-CLX::CLX-BASIC-PORT)> #<CLX-PORT #x3020054F10AD>) 4: (#<STANDARD-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER (CLIM-CLX::CLX-PORT)> #<CLX-PORT #x3020054F10AD> :SERVER-PATH (:CLX :HOST "" :DISPLAY-ID 0 :SCREEN-ID ...)) 5: (CCL::%%BEFORE-AND-AFTER-COMBINED-METHOD-DCODE (NIL #<STANDARD-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER (CLIM-CLX::CLX-PORT)> . 17529393327332)) 6: (CCL::%%STANDARD-COMBINED-METHOD-DCODE (NIL (#<STANDARD-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER (CLIM:PORT)> #<STANDARD-METHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER #>) ..) 17529393327332) 7: (NIL #<Unknown Arguments>) 8: (CCL::%MAKE-STD-INSTANCE #<STANDARD-CLASS CLIM-CLX::CLX-PORT> (:SERVER-PATH (:CLX :HOST "" :DISPLAY-ID 0 :SCREEN-ID ...))) 9: (#<CCL::STANDARD-KERNEL-METHOD MAKE-INSTANCE (STANDARD-CLASS)> #<STANDARD-CLASS CLIM-CLX::CLX-PORT> :SERVER-PATH (:CLX :HOST "" :DISPLAY-ID 0 :SCREEN-ID ...)) 10: (#<CCL::STANDARD-KERNEL-METHOD MAKE-INSTANCE (SYMBOL)> CLIM-CLX::CLX-PORT :SERVER-PATH (:CLX :HOST "" :DISPLAY-ID 0 :SCREEN-ID ...)) 11: (CLIM:FIND-PORT :SERVER-PATH (:CLX :HOST "" :DISPLAY-ID 0 :SCREEN-ID ...)) 12: (CLIM:FIND-FRAME-MANAGER) 13: (#<STANDARD-METHOD CLIM:RUN-FRAME-TOP-LEVEL :AROUND (CLIM:APPLICATION-FRAME)> #COM.SYMSIM.OSS.QL-GUI::QUICKLISP-GUI #x3020054ECB5D) 14: (CCL::%%STANDARD-COMBINED-METHOD-DCODE (#<STANDARD-METHOD CLIM:RUN-FRAME-TOP-LEVEL :AROUND (CLIM:APPLICATION-FRAME)> #<STANDARD-METHOD CLIM:RUN-FRAME-TOP-LEVEL (CLIM:APPLICATION-FRAME)>) 1752939332740.. 15: (NIL #<Unknown Arguments>) 16: (CCL::CALL-CHECK-REGS COM.SYMSIM.OSS.QL-GUI:RUN) 17: (CCL::CHEAP-EVAL (COM.SYMSIM.OSS.QL-GUI:RUN)) 18: ((:INTERNAL SWANK:INTERACTIVE-EVAL)) 19: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-RETRY-RESTART "Retry SLIME interactive evaluation request." #<COMPILED-LEXICAL-CLOSURE (:INTERNAL SWANK:INTERACTIVE-EVAL) #x3020054ECD7F>) 20: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BUFFER-SYNTAX NIL #<COMPILED-LEXICAL-CLOSURE (:INTERNAL SWANK:INTERACTIVE-EVAL) #x3020054ECDBF>) 21: (CCL::CALL-CHECK-REGS SWANK:INTERACTIVE-EVAL "(com.symsim.oss.ql-gui:run)") 22: (CCL::CHEAP-EVAL (SWANK:INTERACTIVE-EVAL "(com.symsim.oss.ql-gui:run)")) 23: (SWANK:EVAL-FOR-EMACS (SWANK:INTERACTIVE-EVAL "(com.symsim.oss.ql-gui:run)") "COMMON-LISP-USER" 20) 24: ((:INTERNAL SWANK::SPAWN-WORKER-THREAD)) 25: (SWANK/BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK #<Compiled-function SWANK:SWANK-DEBUGGER-HOOK #x302001C92B5F> #<Compiled-function (:INTERNAL SWANK::SPAWN-WORKER-THREAD) (Non-Global) #x302001C5A87F>) 26: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BINDINGS ((*STANDARD-INPUT* . #<SWANK/GRAY::SLIME-INPUT-STREAM #x3020008EE61D>) (*STANDARD-OUTPUT* . #<SWANK/GRAY::SLIME-OUTPUT-STREAM #x3020008EE53D>) ..))) #<COMPILED-LEXICAL-CLOSU.. 27: ((:INTERNAL SWANK::SPAWN-WORKER-THREAD)) 28: (CCL::RUN-PROCESS-INITIAL-FORM #<PROCESS worker(40) [Active] #x3020054E2FCD> (#<COMPILED-LEXICAL-CLOSURE (:INTERNAL CCL::%PROCESS-RUN-FUNCTION) #x3020054E2D5F>)) 29: ((:INTERNAL (CCL::%PROCESS-PRESET-INTERNAL (PROCESS))) #<PROCESS worker(40) [Active] #x3020054E2FCD> (#<COMPILED-LEXICAL-CLOSURE (:INTERNAL CCL::%PROCESS-RUN-FUNCTION) #x3020054E2D5F>)) 30: ((:INTERNAL CCL::THREAD-MAKE-STARTUP-FUNCTION))