For anybody interested I've put a couple of screen shots of the Listener with a first-pass at native scroll bars up on my webspace: http://www.robotcat.demon.co.uk/ I realize there are few people able to run Beagle at the moment unfortunately :-( As an aside, if anybody can give me a couple of pointers as to how exactly the 'scroller-pane' decides whether to lay the vertical scroll bar out on the left side or the right side I'd be grateful. I can't see anything that obviously controls this. On a final note, does McCLIM take any notice of key event object's :key-name as opposed to :key-character? Is there a way to set up a command (for Goatee, say) that makes :LEFT behave the same as ctrl-b? Thanks, -Duncan