Hi, Am I confused, or is something wrong? At the CLIM listener, (clim:draw-circle* *standard-output* 100 100 100) draws a big black circle at the top left of the pane. However, (clim:with-room-for-graphics (*standard-output*) (clim:draw-circle* *standard-output* 100 100 100)) leaves enough space for a circle, but doesn't actually draw anything visible. However, (clim:with-room-for-graphics (*standard-output*) (clim:draw-line* *standard-output* 0 0 100 100)) behaves much as I expect. Help? Cheers, Christophe