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[munich-lisp] Second Call for Papers: TFP 2007, New York, USA
by Marco T Morazan 31 Dec '06

31 Dec '06

CALL FOR PAPERS Trends in Functional Programming 2007 New York, USA April 2-4, 2007 http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/ The symposium on Trends in Functional Programming (TFP) is an international forum for researchers with interests in all aspects of functional programming languages, focusing on providing a broad view of current and future trends in Functional Programming. It aspires to be a lively environment for presenting the latest research results through acceptance by extended abstracts. A formal post-symposium refereeing process then selects the best articles presented at the symposium for publication in a high-profile volume. TFP 2007 is co-hosted by Seton Hall University and The City College of New York (CCNY) and will be held in New York, USA, April 2-4, 2007 at the CCNY campus. The TFP symposium is the successor to the successful series of Scottish Functional Programming Workshops. Previous TFP symposia were held in Edinburgh, Scotland in 2003 (co-located with IFL), in Munich, Germany in 2004, in Tallinn, Estonia in 2005 (co-located with ICFP and GPCE), and in Nottingham, UK in 2006 (co-located with Types). For further general information about TFP please see the TFP homepage at http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/ . SCOPE OF THE SYMPOSIUM The symposium recognizes that new trends may arise through various routes. As part of the Symposium's focus on trends we therefore identify the following five article categories. High-quality articles are solicited in any of these categories: Research Articles leading-edge, previously unpublished research work Position Articles on what new trends should or should not be Project Articles descriptions of recently started new projects Evaluation Articles what lessons can be drawn from a finished project Overview Articles summarizing work with respect to a trendy subject Articles must be original and not submitted for simultaneous publication to any other forum. They may consider any aspect of functional programming: theoretical, implementation-oriented, or more experience-oriented. Applications of functional programming techniques to other languages are also within the scope of the symposium. Articles on the following subject areas are particularly welcomed: o Dependently Typed Functional Programming o Validation and Verification of Functional Programs o Debugging for Functional Languages o Functional Programming and Security o Functional Programming and Mobility o Functional Programming to Animate/Prototype/Implement Systems from Formal or Semi-Formal Specifications o Functional Languages for Telecommunications Applications o Functional Languages for Embedded Systems o Functional Programming Applied to Global Computing o Functional GRIDs o Functional Programming Ideas in Imperative or Object-Oriented Settings (and the converse) o Interoperability with Imperative Programming Languages o Novel Memory Management Techniques o Parallel/Concurrent Functional Languages o Program Transformation Techniques o Empirical Performance Studies o Abstract/Virtual Machines and Compilers for Functional Languages o New Implementation Strategies o any new emerging trend in the functional programming area If you are in doubt on whether your article is within the scope of TFP, please contact the TFP 2007 program chair, Marco T. Morazan, at tfp2007(a)shu.edu. BEST STUDENT PAPER AWARD TFP traditionally pays special attention to research students, acknowledging that students are almost by definition part of new subject trends. A prize for the best student paper is awarded each year. SUBMISSION AND DRAFT PROCEEDINGS Acceptance of articles for presentation at the symposium is based on the review of extended abstracts (6 to 10 pages in length) by the program committee. Accepted abstracts are to be completed to full papers before the symposium for publication in the draft proceedings and on-line. The submission must clearly indicate to which category it belongs to: research, position, project, evaluation, or overview paper. It should also indicate whether the main author or authors are research students. Formatting details can be found at the TFP 2007 website. Submission procedures will be posted on the TFP 2007 website as the submission deadline is reached. The papers in the draft proceedings will also be made available on-line under the following conditions, with which all authors are asked to agree: The documents distributed by this server have been provided by the contributing authors as a means to ensure timely dissemination of scholarly and technical work on a noncommercial basis. Copyright and all rights therein are maintained by the authors or by other copyright holders, notwithstanding that they have offered their works here electronically. It is understood that all persons copying this information will adhere to the terms and constraints invoked by each author's copyright. These works may not be reposted without the explicit permission of the copyright holder. POST-SYMPOSIUM REFEREEING AND PUBLICATION In addition to the draft symposium proceedings, we intend to continue the TFP tradition of publishing a high-quality subset of contributions in the Intellect series on Trends in Functional Programming. All TFP authors will be invited to submit revised papers after the symposium. These will be refereed using normal conference standards and a subset of the best papers, over all categories, will be selected for publication. Papers will be judged on their contribution to the research area with appropriate criteria applied to each category of paper. Student papers will be given extra feedback by the Program Committee in order to assist those unfamiliar with the publication process. IMPORTANT DATES Abstract Submission: February 1, 2007 Notification of Acceptance: February 20, 2007 Registration Deadline: March 2, 2007 Camera Ready Full Paper Due: March 9, 2007 TFP Symposium: April 2-4, 2007 PROGRAMME COMMITTEE John Clements California Polytechnic State University, USA Marko van Eekelen Radboud Universiteit Nijmegen, The Netherlands Benjamin Goldberg New York University, USA Kevin Hammond University of St. Andrews, UK Patricia Johann Rutgers University, USA Hans-Wolfgang Loidl Ludwig-Maximilians Universität München, Germany Rita Loogen Philipps-Universität Marburg, Germany Greg Michaelson Heriot-Watt University, UK Marco T. Morazán (Chair) Seton Hall University, USA Henrik Nilsson University of Nottingham, UK Chris Okasaki United States Military Academy at West Point, USA Rex Page University of Oklahoma, USA Ricardo Pena Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain Benjamin C. Pierce University of Pennsylvania, USA John Reppy University of Chicago, USA Ulrik P. Schultz University of Southern Denmark, Denmark Clara Segura Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain Jocelyn Sérot Université Blaise Pascal, France Zhong Shao Yale University, USA Olin Shivers Georgia Institute of Technology, USA Phil Trinder Heriot-Watt University, UK David Walker Princeton University, USA ORGANIZATION Symposium Chair: Henrik Nilsson, University of Nottingham, UK Programme Chair: Marco T. Morazan, Seton Hall University, USA Treasurer: Greg Michaelson, Heriot-Watt University, UK Local Arrangements: Marco T. Morazan, Seton Hall University, USA SPONSORS The Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, Seton Hall University The Department of Computer Science, The City College of New York The Center for Algorithms and Interactive Scientific Software of The City College of New York The Grove School of Engineering of The City College of New York We are actively looking for additional TFP sponsors, who may, for example, help to subsidise attendance by research students. If you or your organisation might be willing to sponsor TFP, or if you know someone who might be willing to do so, please do not hesitate to contact the Program Chair, Marco T. Morazan, or the Symposium Chair, Henrik Nilsson. Your students will be grateful! ************************************************************************************ Dr. Marco T. Morazan TFP 2007 Program Committee Chair http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/

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[munich-lisp] First Call for Papers: TFP 2007, New York
by TFP 2007 01 Dec '06

01 Dec '06

CALL FOR PAPERS Trends in Functional Programming 2007 New York, USA April 2-4, 2007 http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/ OR http://tltc.shu.edu/tfp2007/ The symposium on Trends in Functional Programming (TFP) is an international forum for researchers with interests in all aspects of functional programming languages, focusing on providing a broad view of current and future trends in Functional Programming. It aspires to be a lively environment for presenting the latest research results through acceptance by extended abstracts. A formal post-symposium refereeing process then selects the best articles presented at the symposium for publication in a high-profile volume. TFP 2007 is co-hosted by Seton Hall University and The City College of New York (CCNY) and will be held in New York, USA, April 2-4, 2007 at the CCNY campus. SCOPE OF THE SYMPOSIUM The symposium recognizes that new trends may arise through various routes. As part of the Symposium's focus on trends we therefore identify the following five article categories. High-quality articles are solicited in any of these categories: Research Articles leading-edge, previously unpublished research work Position Articles on what new trends should or should not be Project Articles descriptions of recently started new projects Evaluation Articles what lessons can be drawn from a finished project Overview Articles summarizing work with respect to a trendy subject Articles must be original and not submitted for simultaneous publication to any other forum. They may consider any aspect of functional programming: theoretical, implementation-oriented, or more experience-oriented. Applications of functional programming techniques to other languages are also within the scope of the symposium. Articles on the following subject areas are particularly welcomed: o Dependently Typed Functional Programming o Validation and Verification of Functional Programs o Debugging for Functional Languages o Functional Programming and Security o Functional Programming and Mobility o Functional Programming to Animate/Prototype/Implement Systems from Formal or Semi-Formal Specifications o Functional Languages for Telecommunications Applications o Functional Languages for Embedded Systems o Functional Programming Applied to Global Computing o Functional GRIDs o Functional Programming Ideas in Imperative or Object-Oriented Settings (and the converse) o Interoperability with Imperative Programming Languages o Novel Memory Management Techniques o Parallel/Concurrent Functional Languages o Program Transformation Techniques o Empirical Performance Studies o Abstract/Virtual Machines and Compilers for Functional Languages o New Implementation Strategies o any new emerging trend in the functional programming area If you are in doubt on whether your article is within the scope of TFP, please contact the TFP 2007 program chair, Marco T. Morazan, at tfp2007(a)shu.edu. SUBMISSION AND DRAFT PROCEEDINGS Acceptance of articles for presentation at the symposium is based on the review of extended abstracts (6 to 10 pages in length) by the program committee. Accepted abstracts are to be completed to full papers before the symposium for publication in the draft proceedings and on-line. Further details can be found at the TFP 2007 website. POST-SYMPOSIUM REFEREEING AND PUBLICATION In addition to the draft symposium proceedings, we intend to continue the TFP tradition of publishing a high-quality subset of contributions in the Intellect series on Trends in Functional Programming. IMPORTANT DATES Abstract Submission: February 1, 2007 Notification of Acceptance: February 20, 2007 Registration Deadline: March 2, 2007 Camera Ready Full Paper Due: March 9, 2007 TFP Symposium: April 2-4, 2007 PROGRAMME COMMITTEE John Clements California Polytechnic State University, USA Marko van Eekelen Radboud Universiteit Nijmegen, The Netherlands Benjamin Goldberg New York University, USA Kevin Hammond University of St. Andrews, UK Patricia Johann Rutgers University, USA Hans-Wolfgang Loidl Ludwig-Maximilians Universität München, Germany Rita Loogen Philipps-Universität Marburg, Germany Greg Michaelson Heriot-Watt University, UK Marco T. Morazán (Chair) Seton Hall University, USA Henrik Nilsson University of Nottingham, UK Chris Okasaki United States Military Academy at West Point, USA Rex Page University of Oklahoma, USA Ricardo Pena Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain Benjamin C. Pierce University of Pennsylvania, USA John Reppy University of Chicago, USA Ulrik P. Schultz University of Southern Denmark, Denmark Clara Segura Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain Jocelyn Sérot Université Blaise Pascal, France Zhong Shao Yale University, USA Olin Shivers Georgia Institute of Technology, USA Phil Trinder Heriot-Watt University, UK David Walker Princeton University, USA ORGANIZATION Symposium Chair: Henrik Nilsson, University of Nottingham, UK Programme Chair: Marco T. Morazan, Seton Hall University, USA Treasurer: Greg Michaelson, Heriot-Watt University, UK Local Arrangements: Marco T. Morazan, Seton Hall University, USA ************************************************************************************ Dr. Marco T. Morazan TFP 2007 Program Committee Chair http://tltc.shu.edu/tfp2007/ http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/

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[munich-lisp] First Call for Papers: TFP 2007, New York, USA
by TFP 2007 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

CALL FOR PAPERS Trends in Functional Programming 2007 New York, USA April 2-4, 2007 http://tltc.shu.edu/tfp2007/ OR http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/ The symposium on Trends in Functional Programming (TFP) is an international forum for researchers with interests in all aspects of functional programming languages, focusing on providing a broad view of current and future trends in Functional Programming. It aspires to be a lively environment for presenting the latest research results through acceptance by extended abstracts. A formal post-symposium refereeing process then selects the best articles presented at the symposium for publication in a high-profile volume. TFP 2007 is co-hosted by Seton Hall University and The City College of New York (CCNY) and will be held in New York, USA, April 2-4, 2007 at the CCNY campus. The TFP symposium is the successor to the successful series of Scottish Functional Programming Workshops. Previous TFP symposia were held in Edinburgh, Scotland in 2003 (co-located with IFL), in Munich, Germany in 2004, in Tallinn, Estonia in 2005 (co-located with ICFP and GPCE), and in Nottingham, UK in 2006 (co-located with Types). For further general information about TFP please see the TFP homepage at http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/ . SCOPE OF THE SYMPOSIUM The symposium recognizes that new trends may arise through various routes. As part of the Symposium's focus on trends we therefore identify the following five article categories. High-quality articles are solicited in any of these categories: Research Articles leading-edge, previously unpublished research work Position Articles on what new trends should or should not be Project Articles descriptions of recently started new projects Evaluation Articles what lessons can be drawn from a finished project Overview Articles summarizing work with respect to a trendy subject Articles must be original and not submitted for simultaneous publication to any other forum. They may consider any aspect of functional programming: theoretical, implementation-oriented, or more experience-oriented. Applications of functional programming techniques to other languages are also within the scope of the symposium. Articles on the following subject areas are particularly welcomed: o Dependently Typed Functional Programming o Validation and Verification of Functional Programs o Debugging for Functional Languages o Functional Programming and Security o Functional Programming and Mobility o Functional Programming to Animate/Prototype/Implement Systems from Formal or Semi-Formal Specifications o Functional Languages for Telecommunications Applications o Functional Languages for Embedded Systems o Functional Programming Applied to Global Computing o Functional GRIDs o Functional Programming Ideas in Imperative or Object-Oriented Settings (and the converse) o Interoperability with Imperative Programming Languages o Novel Memory Management Techniques o Parallel/Concurrent Functional Languages o Program Transformation Techniques o Empirical Performance Studies o Abstract/Virtual Machines and Compilers for Functional Languages o New Implementation Strategies o any new emerging trend in the functional programming area If you are in doubt on whether your article is within the scope of TFP, please contact the TFP 2007 program chair, Marco T. Morazan, at tfp2007(a)shu.edu. BEST STUDENT PAPER AWARD TFP traditionally pays special attention to research students, acknowledging that students are almost by definition part of new subject trends. A prize for the best student paper is awarded each year. SUBMISSION AND DRAFT PROCEEDINGS Acceptance of articles for presentation at the symposium is based on the review of extended abstracts (6 to 10 pages in length) by the program committee. Accepted abstracts are to be completed to full papers before the symposium for publication in the draft proceedings and on-line. The submission must clearly indicate to which category it belongs to: research, position, project, evaluation, or overview paper. It should also indicate whether the main author or authors are research students. Formatting details can be found at the TFP 2007 website. Submission procedures will be posted on the TFP 2007 website as the submission deadline is reached. The papers in the draft proceedings will also be made available on-line under the following conditions, with which all authors are asked to agree: The documents distributed by this server have been provided by the contributing authors as a means to ensure timely dissemination of scholarly and technical work on a noncommercial basis. Copyright and all rights therein are maintained by the authors or by other copyright holders, notwithstanding that they have offered their works here electronically. It is understood that all persons copying this information will adhere to the terms and constraints invoked by each author's copyright. These works may not be reposted without the explicit permission of the copyright holder. POST-SYMPOSIUM REFEREEING AND PUBLICATION In addition to the draft symposium proceedings, we intend to continue the TFP tradition of publishing a high-quality subset of contributions in the Intellect series on Trends in Functional Programming. All TFP authors will be invited to submit revised papers after the symposium. These will be refereed using normal conference standards and a subset of the best papers, over all categories, will be selected for publication. Papers will be judged on their contribution to the research area with appropriate criteria applied to each category of paper. Student papers will be given extra feedback by the Program Committee in order to assist those unfamiliar with the publication process. Important DATES Abstract Submission: February 1, 2007 Notification of Acceptance: February 20, 2007 Registration Deadline: March 2, 2007 Camera Ready Full Paper Due: March 9, 2007 TFP Symposium: April 2-4, 2007 PROGRAMME COMMITTEE John Clements California Polytechnic State University, USA Marko van Eekelen Radboud Universiteit Nijmegen, The Netherlands Benjamin Goldberg New York University, USA Kevin Hammond University of St. Andrews, UK Patricia Johann Rutgers University, USA Hans-Wolfgang Loidl Ludwig-Maximilians Universität München, Germany Rita Loogen Philipps-Universität Marburg, Germany Greg Michaelson Heriot-Watt University, UK Marco T. Morazán (Chair) Seton Hall University, USA Henrik Nilsson University of Nottingham, UK Chris Okasaki United States Military Academy at West Point, USA Rex Page University of Oklahoma, USA Ricardo Pena Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain Benjamin C. Pierce University of Pennsylvania, USA John Reppy University of Chicago, USA Ulrik P. Schultz University of Southern Denmark, Denmark Clara Segura Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain Jocelyn Sérot Université Blaise Pascal, France Zhong Shao Yale University, USA Olin Shivers Georgia Institute of Technology, USA Phil Trinder Heriot-Watt University, UK David Walker Princeton University, USA ORGANIZATION Symposium Chair: Henrik Nilsson, University of Nottingham, UK Programme Chair: Marco T. Morazan, Seton Hall University, USA Treasurer: Greg Michaelson, Heriot-Watt University, UK Local Arrangements: Marco T. Morazan, Seton Hall University, USA SPONSORS The Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, Seton Hall University The Department of Computer Science, The City College of New York The Center for Algorithms and Interactive Scientific Software of The City College of New York The Grove School of Engineering of The City College of New York We are actively looking for additional TFP sponsors, who may, for example, help to subsidise attendance by research students. If you or your organisation might be willing to sponsor TFP, or if you know someone who might be willing to do so, please do not hesitate to contact the Program Chair, Marco T. Morazan, or the Symposium Chair, Henrik Nilsson. Your students will be grateful! ************************************************************************************ Dr. Marco T. Morazan TFP 2007 Program Committee Chair http://cs.shu.edu/tfp2007/

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Re: [munich-lisp] what happens friday?
by Jim Newton 17 Nov '06

17 Nov '06

i'll be arriving at about 19h30... how about anyone else? -jim On Thursday 16 November 2006 07:53, you wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:40:33PM +0100, Jim Newton wrote: > > hi everyone, i asked a few weeks ago if anyone is interested in having > > a drink together this coming friday the 17th? anyone interested? > > When exactly is the meeting? > > > Subject: [munich-lisp] summer in winter meeting > > Date: Saturday 28 October 2006 14:12 > > From: Jim Newton <jimka(a)rdrop.com> > > To: munich-lisp(a)common-lisp.net > > > > Hi everyone, I'd like to suggest that we have another meeting > > in the coming weeks. May i suggest the 17th of November > > at Coellner im Paragraph, at Winzererstr 49 in Munich.

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[munich-lisp] what happens friday?
by Jim Newton 16 Nov '06

16 Nov '06

hi everyone, i asked a few weeks ago if anyone is interested in having a drink together this coming friday the 17th? anyone interested? It would be nice to talk to some people about a job opening i have at my company to see if anyone is interested. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [munich-lisp] summer in winter meeting Date: Saturday 28 October 2006 14:12 From: Jim Newton <jimka(a)rdrop.com> To: munich-lisp(a)common-lisp.net Hi everyone, I'd like to suggest that we have another meeting in the coming weeks. May i suggest the 17th of November at Coellner im Paragraph, at Winzererstr 49 in Munich. Who would like to make a presentation? If someone wants to present, we may need to find a different location where we have both beer and a wall to project onto :-) -jim ____________________

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[munich-lisp] Job Opening
by Jim Newton 28 Oct '06

28 Oct '06

Hi everyone, Cadence Design Systems in Feldkirchen (b. Munich) has a position for a Software Developer available which we hope to fill November or December. The job is for a permanant position, working in a very dynamic (code word for chaotic) environment. Someone who enjoys Lisp programming would probably enjoy the job very much. Other software development experience is a definite advantage as well as experience with UNIX, databases, electronic design automation, and formal verification. If you'd like to find out more, please contact me at jimka(a)cadence.com. Sincerely Jim Newton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cadence Design Systems GmbH in Munich, Germany ( www.cadence.com and www.cadence.com/vcad) has a job opening in the VCAD organization for an experienced software developer. It would be great to fill the position with someone who has good Lisp experience. Virtual CAD (VCAD) is a group within Cadence providing EDA (Electronic Design Automation) related services. The job is with the software development group within VCAD. Cadence's software products are scripted with the SKILL language, a Lisp language with two dialects: one Franz Lisp-like dialect, and one Scheme-like dialect. The VCAD software group also uses Common Lisp where appropriate. The position would be working in a small software group within an IC design services group. Tasks are usually related to IC design automation but not exclusively. Other current projects include release management, resource scheduling/tracking, Object-system implementation, regression/system/unit testing flow development. We are looking for someone who either has experience programming in a Lisp language, or is interested in learning Lisp in a production environment, and is comfortable in several mutually unrelated programming languages (eg, C, Smalltalk, and PostScript; or Java, Prolog, and SPARC assembly language). Experience in Perl, Python, C++, TCL, Java and Ample are useful but to a lesser extent. Experience with UNIX applications such as mySQL and Postgres would also be good. The platform is 99% UNIX based, including mostly Linux and Solaris. Other things that would be nice, but are not required: some theoretical familiarity with relational databases (eg, you took a database class or read the textbook from one); Windows programming experience; Oracle experience. Fluency in English is required. Also useful would be familiarity with German, French, Italian, Russian, or Hebrew. Relocation to Munich would be required.

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[munich-lisp] summer in winter meeting
by Jim Newton 28 Oct '06

28 Oct '06

Hi everyone, I'd like to suggest that we have another meeting in the coming weeks. May i suggest the 17th of November at Coellner im Paragraph, at Winzererstr 49 in Munich. Who would like to make a presentation? If someone wants to present, we may need to find a different location where we have both beer and a wall to project onto :-) -jim

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Re: [munich-lisp] Biergarten Monday
by Christopher Laux 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

Hi all, I'd like to come along (for the first time actually), but I arrive at HBf just after 21:00 on Monday. If most people can make it on Monday, I'll just see how many people are left when I'm there... Cheers, Chris > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Alexander Burger <abu(a)software-lab.de> > Gesendet: 28.09.06 15:07:09 > An: "hendrik(a)levsen.org" <hendrik(a)levsen.org> > CC: munich-lisp(a)common-lisp.net > Betreff: Re: [munich-lisp] Biergarten Monday > Hi Hendrik, > > I think I can make it next Monday (Oct. 2nd). > Is this the Augustiner-Keller (Arnulfstr.)? > > Cheers, > - Alex > > Alexander Burger > Software Lab. / 7fach GmbH > Bahnhofstr. 24a, D-86462 Langweid > abu(a)software-lab.de, http://www.software-lab.de, +49 821 9907090 > _______________________________________________ > http://lisp.tech.coop/Munich > munich-lisp mailing list > munich-lisp(a)common-lisp.net > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/munich-lisp ______________________________________________________________________ XXL-Speicher, PC-Virenschutz, Spartarife & mehr: Nur im WEB.DE Club! Jetzt gratis testen! http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130

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[munich-lisp] Augustiner Monday
by Hendrik Levsen 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

Ok 3 people confirmed (we'll be around until 21h00 for the latecomer) so it's definite that I'll be at Augustiner Biergarten on Monday starting 19h00. It's at Arnulfstrasse withing walking distance from the train station and the web site is http://www.augustinerkeller.de/. The meeting is outside near the 'checkout' registers in the back and I'll bring some sort of Lisp sign. If the weather is bad the meeting is in the cellar downstairs, just look around. Cheers Hendrik

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[munich-lisp] Biergarten Monday
by hendrik＠levsen.org 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

Hello folks, are there still any Lispers in Munich? It's been a while and although at the last meeting we had some interesting conversations, not many people participated. Would anyone care for another meeting, i.e. on Monday evening. The weather is supposed to be good, maybe for the last time this year, and next day is a holiday, too. The Augustiner beergarten wasn't bad so we could meet there again e.g. at 19h00 or later if you are stuck at work. Augustiner also has an inside restaurant (huge basement) in case the weather doesn't turn out as promised. If sufficiently many people (i.e. 3) aye! this proposal, I'll show up there at 19h00 and have my mobile ready at 0163-3925157 for your SMS's if there is a problem, but obviously it does not work in the basement. Cheers everyone Hendrik -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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