Hi everyone,
I've never been much of a web person and am certainly not up on the latest trends :P
Are the kids still using CSS for making their webpages pretty? If so, I was thinking something like CSS could be really useful for the Noctool web UI. Mostly because I couldn't design a decent color scheme to save my life ;P
I don't know any CSS, but I'm willing to learn a little ...
Jim
James E. Prewett Jim@Prewett.org download@hpc.unm.edu Systems Team Leader LoGS: http://www.hpc.unm.edu/~download/LoGS/ Designated Security Officer OpenPGP key: pub 1024D/31816D93 HPC Systems Engineer III UNM HPC 505.277.8210
I've never been much of a web person and am certainly not up on the latest trends :P
I know the feeling.
Are the kids still using CSS for making their webpages pretty?
Oh, yes.
If so, Iwas thinking something like CSS could be really useful for the Noctool web UI. Mostly because I couldn't design a decent color scheme to save my life ;P
I've never been convinced that web pages are the best way to interact with system monitoring data, except for the most trivial of cases. What I'd *really* like is something like this (viewable in Safari, Firefox or Opera - requires a plugin for IE):
http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/gui/Window/index.svg
I've been banging away at an SVG library for CL entirely because of this one URL.
-- wm
I've never been much of a web person and am certainly not up on the latest trends :P
I know the feeling.
Glad its not just me :P :) I was a sys-admin during the "dot com boom". Those web guys only made my life hell ;P They seemed to think their infinite loops were the fault of my server - the jerks :P ;)
I've never been convinced that web pages are the best way tointeract with system monitoring data, except for the most trivial of cases.
I think thats true in a lot of cases for sure. BUT, my boss *LOVES* his Ganglia pages, etc. If I can give him a decent web interface, he's /much/ more likely to continue funding my work on Noctool :)
What I've been thinking would be really slick would be an Emacs-based "Noctool Console" (if you will) I've only done the most rudimentary of hacking with Emacs, but SLIME sure is sweet and I've seen some UI stuff thats not too bad... Then the web would be a view for more userly types and THE Console would be more for admin types. But thats a dream...
What I'd *really* like is something like this (viewable in Safari, Firefox or Opera - requires a plugin for IE):
http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/gui/Window/index.svg
THAT'S SEXY! I'm gonna show that to our "web guy". :)
I've been banging away at an SVG library for CL entirely because of this one URL.
Awesome! I was thinking SVG would be nice for graph plots (the things we're currently exporting to GIF) as well simply because, well, they're scalable :) I wouldn't have to re-render the image for every size I might want to display it at, the network bandwidth usage is also not bad when you use gzip compressed SVG. :)
From: Jim Prewett download@hpc.unm.edu
I've never been convinced that web pages are the best way tointeract with system monitoring data, except for the most trivial of cases.
I think thats true in a lot of cases for sure. BUT, my boss *LOVES* his Ganglia pages, etc. If I can give him a decent web interface, he's /much/ more likely to continue funding my work on Noctool :)
There's no doubt sexy blink-panels dazzle managers nicely.
I've been banging away at an SVG library for CL entirely because of this one URL.
Awesome! I was thinking SVG would be nice for graph plots (the things we're currently exporting to GIF) as well simply because, well, they're scalable :) I wouldn't have to re-render the image for every size I might want to display it at, the network bandwidth usage is also not bad when you use gzip compressed SVG. :)
Even better, SVG is programmable, with Javascript. Instead of reloading images every time you have new data, you could just grab the new data points and update the graph. And they don't have to be complex graphs, either. Tufte has convinced people that even his little sparklines are valuable, and I always found the lightweight, live graphs in Tkined (an underrated SNMP/Tcl/Tk tool) useful:
http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nm/scotty/gifs/news.gif
You can cram a lot of useful information into a small space, and minimize pointless web traffic. Potentially, at least. I've still got plenty of work to do.
-- wm
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