Hello,
I hope you haven't forgotten about the Meetings. I sure haven't! Time to organize yet another one, or even two - since I got two videos, one right after the other. The announcement for the second meeting will come tomorrow though; let's focus on the first one for now!
This time, we'll have Jan Moringen talking about a modern (and already rather successful!) approach to parsing the holy scriptures of Common Lisp - the language specification in its TeX source format.
The most important specification documents for the Common Lisp programming language, namely the Common Lisp ANSI standard and the Common Lisp HyperSpec (CLHS), are both provided under restrictive licenses (and at a cost in case of ANSI). This situation prevents the creation and distribution of derived works such as alternative presentations or corrected revisions. This inability to produce derived works has lead to the creation of independent errata lists that cannot be "applied" to the specification.
Despite these obstacles, a way forward, albeit one that involves lots of effort, has been known for some time: start from the TeX sources of the draft specification ("dpANS"), which are in the public domain, and create new specification documents. Those documents can then improve on the hyperlinking and presentation of the CLHS as well as incorporate corrections. The high effort associated with this approach comes from the fact that the tools that were used to create the CLHS are not publicly available.
This presentation explains the situation outlined above in more detail and introduces our project to create the required tools and produce new specification documents from the dpANS TeX sources and X3J13 cleanup issue files. After mentioning some of the problems in the draft specification as well as the CLHS that we plan to address, we present our method for parsing and processing the sources. After that, we show current and future applications of the parsing, transformation and generation process. We conclude by sharing open problems as well as a call to action aimed at re-discovering the most recent versions of the X3J13 issue files which we, so far, did not manage to find anywhere.
A short Jitsi talk with everyone will happen just after the meeting. Where and when exactly - I'll link it in a follow-up mail.
Date/time/location:
* Date: 17th December 2021 * Time: 12:00 CET - https://time.is/en/CET * Talk: https://www.twitch.tv/TwitchPlaysCommonLisp
A mailing list has been created for the purpose of organizing and promoting the online talks. Further announcements will be posted there. See https://mailman.common-lisp.net/listinfo/online-lisp-meets
New videos welcome! If you have anything lispy that you would like to talk about, please let me know.
Calendar invitations will follow in replies to this mail.
BR and see you, Michał "phoe" Herda
Attaching the invitation.
On 13.12.2021 09:22, Michał "phoe" Herda wrote:
Hello,
I hope you haven't forgotten about the Meetings. I sure haven't! Time to organize yet another one, or even two - since I got two videos, one right after the other. The announcement for the second meeting will come tomorrow though; let's focus on the first one for now!
This time, we'll have Jan Moringen talking about a modern (and already rather successful!) approach to parsing the holy scriptures of Common Lisp - the language specification in its TeX source format.
The most important specification documents for the Common Lisp programming language, namely the Common Lisp ANSI standard and the Common Lisp HyperSpec (CLHS), are both provided under restrictive licenses (and at a cost in case of ANSI). This situation prevents the creation and distribution of derived works such as alternative presentations or corrected revisions. This inability to produce derived works has lead to the creation of independent errata lists that cannot be "applied" to the specification.
Despite these obstacles, a way forward, albeit one that involves lots of effort, has been known for some time: start from the TeX sources of the draft specification ("dpANS"), which are in the public domain, and create new specification documents. Those documents can then improve on the hyperlinking and presentation of the CLHS as well as incorporate corrections. The high effort associated with this approach comes from the fact that the tools that were used to create the CLHS are not publicly available.
This presentation explains the situation outlined above in more detail and introduces our project to create the required tools and produce new specification documents from the dpANS TeX sources and X3J13 cleanup issue files. After mentioning some of the problems in the draft specification as well as the CLHS that we plan to address, we present our method for parsing and processing the sources. After that, we show current and future applications of the parsing, transformation and generation process. We conclude by sharing open problems as well as a call to action aimed at re-discovering the most recent versions of the X3J13 issue files which we, so far, did not manage to find anywhere.
A short Jitsi talk with everyone will happen just after the meeting. Where and when exactly - I'll link it in a follow-up mail.
Date/time/location:
- Date: 17th December 2021
- Time: 12:00 CET - https://time.is/en/CET
- Talk: https://www.twitch.tv/TwitchPlaysCommonLisp
A mailing list has been created for the purpose of organizing and promoting the online talks. Further announcements will be posted there. See https://mailman.common-lisp.net/listinfo/online-lisp-meets
New videos welcome! If you have anything lispy that you would like to talk about, please let me know.
Calendar invitations will follow in replies to this mail.
BR and see you, Michał "phoe" Herda
A minor update: the video is 1h20min long whereas the timeslot for the meeting is only one hour long. This means that the actual meeting will last longer, we'll extend it for half an hour more.
Apologies for the schedule mess-up, I'm slowly trying to get back into the whole streaming business.
On 13.12.2021 09:25, Michał "phoe" Herda wrote:
Attaching the invitation.
On 13.12.2021 09:22, Michał "phoe" Herda wrote:
Hello,
I hope you haven't forgotten about the Meetings. I sure haven't! Time to organize yet another one, or even two - since I got two videos, one right after the other. The announcement for the second meeting will come tomorrow though; let's focus on the first one for now!
This time, we'll have Jan Moringen talking about a modern (and already rather successful!) approach to parsing the holy scriptures of Common Lisp - the language specification in its TeX source format.
The most important specification documents for the Common Lisp programming language, namely the Common Lisp ANSI standard and the Common Lisp HyperSpec (CLHS), are both provided under restrictive licenses (and at a cost in case of ANSI). This situation prevents the creation and distribution of derived works such as alternative presentations or corrected revisions. This inability to produce derived works has lead to the creation of independent errata lists that cannot be "applied" to the specification.
Despite these obstacles, a way forward, albeit one that involves lots of effort, has been known for some time: start from the TeX sources of the draft specification ("dpANS"), which are in the public domain, and create new specification documents. Those documents can then improve on the hyperlinking and presentation of the CLHS as well as incorporate corrections. The high effort associated with this approach comes from the fact that the tools that were used to create the CLHS are not publicly available.
This presentation explains the situation outlined above in more detail and introduces our project to create the required tools and produce new specification documents from the dpANS TeX sources and X3J13 cleanup issue files. After mentioning some of the problems in the draft specification as well as the CLHS that we plan to address, we present our method for parsing and processing the sources. After that, we show current and future applications of the parsing, transformation and generation process. We conclude by sharing open problems as well as a call to action aimed at re-discovering the most recent versions of the X3J13 issue files which we, so far, did not manage to find anywhere.
A short Jitsi talk with everyone will happen just after the meeting. Where and when exactly - I'll link it in a follow-up mail.
Date/time/location:
- Date: 17th December 2021
- Time: 12:00 CET - https://time.is/en/CET
- Talk: https://www.twitch.tv/TwitchPlaysCommonLisp
A mailing list has been created for the purpose of organizing and promoting the online talks. Further announcements will be posted there. See https://mailman.common-lisp.net/listinfo/online-lisp-meets
New videos welcome! If you have anything lispy that you would like to talk about, please let me know.
Calendar invitations will follow in replies to this mail.
BR and see you, Michał "phoe" Herda
YouTube link of the video: https://youtu.be/aZn8dKmXbOw
On 17.12.2021 09:51, Michał "phoe" Herda wrote:
A minor update: the video is 1h20min long whereas the timeslot for the meeting is only one hour long. This means that the actual meeting will last longer, we'll extend it for half an hour more.
Apologies for the schedule mess-up, I'm slowly trying to get back into the whole streaming business.
On 13.12.2021 09:25, Michał "phoe" Herda wrote:
Attaching the invitation.
On 13.12.2021 09:22, Michał "phoe" Herda wrote:
Hello,
I hope you haven't forgotten about the Meetings. I sure haven't! Time to organize yet another one, or even two - since I got two videos, one right after the other. The announcement for the second meeting will come tomorrow though; let's focus on the first one for now!
This time, we'll have Jan Moringen talking about a modern (and already rather successful!) approach to parsing the holy scriptures of Common Lisp - the language specification in its TeX source format.
The most important specification documents for the Common Lisp programming language, namely the Common Lisp ANSI standard and the Common Lisp HyperSpec (CLHS), are both provided under restrictive licenses (and at a cost in case of ANSI). This situation prevents the creation and distribution of derived works such as alternative presentations or corrected revisions. This inability to produce derived works has lead to the creation of independent errata lists that cannot be "applied" to the specification.
Despite these obstacles, a way forward, albeit one that involves lots of effort, has been known for some time: start from the TeX sources of the draft specification ("dpANS"), which are in the public domain, and create new specification documents. Those documents can then improve on the hyperlinking and presentation of the CLHS as well as incorporate corrections. The high effort associated with this approach comes from the fact that the tools that were used to create the CLHS are not publicly available.
This presentation explains the situation outlined above in more detail and introduces our project to create the required tools and produce new specification documents from the dpANS TeX sources and X3J13 cleanup issue files. After mentioning some of the problems in the draft specification as well as the CLHS that we plan to address, we present our method for parsing and processing the sources. After that, we show current and future applications of the parsing, transformation and generation process. We conclude by sharing open problems as well as a call to action aimed at re-discovering the most recent versions of the X3J13 issue files which we, so far, did not manage to find anywhere.
A short Jitsi talk with everyone will happen just after the meeting. Where and when exactly - I'll link it in a follow-up mail.
Date/time/location:
- Date: 17th December 2021
- Time: 12:00 CET - https://time.is/en/CET
- Talk: https://www.twitch.tv/TwitchPlaysCommonLisp
A mailing list has been created for the purpose of organizing and promoting the online talks. Further announcements will be posted there. See https://mailman.common-lisp.net/listinfo/online-lisp-meets
New videos welcome! If you have anything lispy that you would like to talk about, please let me know.
Calendar invitations will follow in replies to this mail.
BR and see you, Michał "phoe" Herda
We conclude by sharing open problems as well as a call to action aimed at re-discovering the most recent versions of the X3J13 issue files which we, so far, did not manage to find anywhere.
https://archive.org/details/2014.01.ftp.parc.xerox.com download and look in /cl/ seems to have both the X3J13 issues files and the mailing list discussion of each issue.
online-lisp-meets@common-lisp.net
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