On Jun 28, 2011, at 02:48 , Daniel Weinreb wrote:

I'd love to see this standardized. Should we put in the work to come up with a proposal before checking with the implementors to see whether they're interested in implementing whatever we come up with? There might be compatibility issues, too. It would have to be a pretty big proposal to cover even the basic cases... -- Dan

I agree that this should be worked on cooperatively. I do not know if this should be a "big" proposal. My feeling is that the people interested (I am one) should come up with a preliminary outline with an initial goal of being the least intrusive possible into an implementation guts. Cheers -- MA

Jun 27, 2011 03:16:26 PM, antoniotti.marco@disco.unimib.it wrote:

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On Jun 27, 2011, at 19:26 , Steve Haflich wrote:

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Marco Antoniotti wrote:

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Now, this is a specific case for me: having a consistent READER-ERROR-BECAUSE-THERE-IS-NO-SUCH-PACKAGE-THAT-THE-SYSTEM-KNOWS error signaled would simplify some code writing.

I agree with the sentiment, what is the specific proposal may need more work.

Of course... this is jut one example. There may be other cases, plus unexplored ones: FILE-ERROR is rather underspecified, so are PARSE-ERROR and PROGRAM-ERROR. I'd like to see a discussion started....

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Would you want this same condition to be signaled for this form?

(defpackage :foo (:use :not-yet-loaded))

That's an error, but not a reader error the way reading not-yet-loaded:bar would be. Still, it would be nice if these shared a common superclass because what the application might want to do to handle would be the same.

These would both be PACKAGE-ERRORs, but different

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Unfortunately, the condition system does not portably support multiple inheritance.

Yes, I'll grant you that and see where you are going. This is another CDR: The Condition system should use the CLOS algorithm to determine/use/offer multiple inheritance derived properties.

Cheers

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