I am concerned that alu.org (Association of Lisp Users), lisp.org and international-lisp-conference.org are all offline, and have been for at least several weeks. The first two of these didn't really serve anything of use but the ILC site contained proceedings of several past conferences and shouldn't be lost. Does anyone know what's going on? I can't write directly to the ALU because its site is down and so there's no contact list (and I imagine emailing @alu.org is like talking to a black hole). - nick
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:24:21 +0200 Nick Levine <nick@nicklevine.org> wrote:
Does anyone know what's going on? I can't write directly to the ALU because its site is down and so there's no contact list (and I imagine emailing @alu.org is like talking to a black hole).
Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are responding): ninja$ host alu.org alu.org has address 67.207.112.91 alu.org mail is handled by 20 in2-smtp.messagingengine.com. alu.org mail is handled by 10 in1-smtp.messagingengine.com. ninja$ host in1-smtp.messagingengine.com in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.71 in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.73 in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.75 in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.72 in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.74 in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.70 ninja$ host in2-smtp.messagingengine.com in2-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 185.68.180.20 in2-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 185.68.180.24 ninja$ telnet 66.111.4.71 25 Trying 66.111.4.71... Connected to mx2.messagingengine.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mx2.messagingengine.com ESMTP mx. No UCE permitted. quit 221 2.0.0 Bye Connection closed by foreign host. ninja$ telnet 185.68.180.20 25 Trying 185.68.180.20... Connected to smx1.messagingengine.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 smx1.messagingengine.com ESMTP mx. No UCE permitted. quit 221 2.0.0 Bye Connection closed by foreign host. ninja$ -- Matt
Hi Nick, The ALU still exists, and I am still a board member, although not an officer. Rusty is continuing to keep the offiicial Corporation documents up to date with the state of Virginia, etc. The CLF had offered several months ago to provide hosting services for the ALU web properties (at reasonable out-of-pocket cost), but the ALU has yet to follow up with a specific green light to do that or content to host. Robert Smith, current official ALU president, had to cancel the last several scheduled monthly ALU meetings due to a busy travel schedule (a couple times he was on airplanes at the time of the meetings). Last week, he had to cancel our meeting again, and also sent a note inviting someone else to take over the role of president. He didn't officially resign, but acknowledged the fact that his several attempts to get the ball rolling on the next ILC have not gotten much traction. If you'd like, I can ask Robert to forward that note to this list. So that's what I know right now. So far I haven't seen any responses to his email on the ALU lists (which I think are manually maintained as CC lists right now). I'm not sure what the next steps should be or by whom, but at least I wanted to pass on the small amount of news which I know. Regards, Dave On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Nick Levine <nick@nicklevine.org> wrote:
Writing to who @alu.org?
Is anyone from the ALU listening? Does it still exist?
- nick
On 11 Oct 2017, at 19:58, Matthew Mondor <mm_lists@pulsar-zone.net> wrote: Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are responding):
-- My Best, Dave Cooper, david.cooper@gen.works genworks.com, gendl.org +1 248-330-2979
Thanks for the update. I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again? - nick
On 11 Oct 2017, at 22:44, Dave Cooper <david.cooper@genworks.com> wrote:
Hi Nick,
The ALU still exists, and I am still a board member, although not an officer. Rusty is continuing to keep the offiicial Corporation documents up to date with the state of Virginia, etc.
The CLF had offered several months ago to provide hosting services for the ALU web properties (at reasonable out-of-pocket cost), but the ALU has yet to follow up with a specific green light to do that or content to host.
Robert Smith, current official ALU president, had to cancel the last several scheduled monthly ALU meetings due to a busy travel schedule (a couple times he was on airplanes at the time of the meetings). Last week, he had to cancel our meeting again, and also sent a note inviting someone else to take over the role of president. He didn't officially resign, but acknowledged the fact that his several attempts to get the ball rolling on the next ILC have not gotten much traction. If you'd like, I can ask Robert to forward that note to this list.
So that's what I know right now.
So far I haven't seen any responses to his email on the ALU lists (which I think are manually maintained as CC lists right now). I'm not sure what the next steps should be or by whom, but at least I wanted to pass on the small amount of news which I know.
Regards,
Dave
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Nick Levine <nick@nicklevine.org> wrote: Writing to who @alu.org?
Is anyone from the ALU listening? Does it still exist?
- nick
On 11 Oct 2017, at 19:58, Matthew Mondor <mm_lists@pulsar-zone.net> wrote: Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are responding):
-- My Best,
Dave Cooper, david.cooper@gen.works genworks.com, gendl.org +1 248-330-2979
Hi Nick, I just included you on an email to some likely ALU website contacts. We'll see how they respond. Regarding the ILC content, I found backups containing a most if not all materials for ILC 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011. I should also have the contents for 2012 squirreled away somewhere. Here's a reasonable archive of the 2012 site. https://web.archive.org/web/20141120174250/http://international-lisp-confere... For ILC 2014, the conference website was hosted on a different server, and the ALU site just had a link / redirect. I don't believe we ever got a copy of the 2014 site on the ALU server. Fortunately, the original site is still available. http://ilc2014.iro.umontreal.ca/ - Daniel On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Nick Levine wrote:
Thanks for the update.
I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again?
- nick
On 11 Oct 2017, at 22:44, Dave Cooper <david.cooper@genworks.com> wrote:
Hi Nick, The ALU still exists, and I am still a board member, although not an officer. Rusty is continuing to keep the offiicial Corporation documents up to date with the state of Virginia, etc.
The CLF had offered several months ago to provide hosting services for the ALU web properties (at reasonable out-of-pocket cost), but the ALU has yet to follow up with a specific green light to do that or content to host.
Robert Smith, current official ALU president, had to cancel the last several scheduled monthly ALU meetings due to a busy travel schedule (a couple times he was on airplanes at the time of the meetings). Last week, he had to cancel our meeting again, and also sent a note inviting someone else to take over the role of president. He didn't officially resign, but acknowledged the fact that his several attempts to get the ball rolling on the next ILC have not gotten much traction. If you'd like, I can ask Robert to forward that note to this list.
So that's what I know right now.
So far I haven't seen any responses to his email on the ALU lists (which I think are manually maintained as CC lists right now). I'm not sure what the next steps should be or by whom, but at least I wanted to pass on the small amount of news which I know.
Regards,
Dave
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Nick Levine <nick@nicklevine.org> wrote: Writing to who @alu.org?
Is anyone from the ALU listening? Does it still exist?
- nick
> On 11 Oct 2017, at 19:58, Matthew Mondor <mm_lists@pulsar-zone.net> wrote: > Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are > responding): >
-- My Best,
Dave Cooper, david.cooper@gen.works genworks.com, gendl.org +1 248-330-2979
On 12 Oct 2017, at 04:54, Daniel Herring <dherring@tentpost.com> wrote:
Hi Nick,
I just included you on an email to some likely ALU website contacts. We'll see how they respond.
Thanks, and you wrote in that email: "No one ever followed up with me in regards to the data... I haven't heard anything since then". How very ALU. I'm not really sure what they're *for* any more, but escaping from paper bags isn't high on the list.
Regarding the ILC content, I found backups containing a most if not all materials...
Thanks. Let's get them hosted somewhere. -n
Hi Nick, On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, Nick Levine wrote:
On 12 Oct 2017, at 04:54, Daniel Herring <dherring@tentpost.com> wrote:
I just included you on an email to some likely ALU website contacts. We'll see how they respond.
Thanks, and you wrote in that email: "No one ever followed up with me in regards to the data... I haven't heard anything since then".
Minor correction: That was my contact's response. Though I have had similar experience.
Regarding the ILC content, I found backups containing a most if not all materials...
Thanks. Let's get them hosted somewhere.
I will spend some time today looking for my latest copy and sprucing it up for public release. I don't feel comfortable releasing the raw backup, as it contains some things that were meant to stay private. This task may take some time, as work and daily life both have their own demands. Will keep you posted on my progress. - Daniel
On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 23:09 +0200, Nick Levine wrote:
Thanks for the update.
I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again?
The ILC and lisp.org websites are back up. ALU's isn't because it was an old Allegroserve instance, not static files. -- Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
Hi Stelian http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site (only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain yet. :( As for lisp.org with its current content: who cares? - nick
On 12 Oct 2017, at 17:22, Stelian Ionescu <sionescu@cddr.org> wrote:
On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 23:09 +0200, Nick Levine wrote: Thanks for the update.
I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again?
The ILC and lisp.org websites are back up. ALU's isn't because it was an old Allegroserve instance, not static files.
-- Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 18:19 +0200, Nick Levine wrote:
Hi Stelian
http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site (only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain yet. :(
On what URL do you see that ?
As for lisp.org with its current content: who cares?
If you propose something better, I'm sure something can be done about it. -- Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
https://international-lisp-conference.org/2007/ - nick
On 12 Oct 2017, at 18:36, Stelian Ionescu <sionescu@cddr.org> wrote:
On what URL do you see that?
On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 19:32 +0200, Nick Levine wrote:
Ok. I had only checked 2011 and 2012, which are static files. It would be great if somebody could try to load those into a current Allegroserve and dump the pages as static html. -- Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site (only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain yet. :(
On what URL do you see that ?
opening that URL above redirects me to this: http://ilc2014.iro.umontreal.ca/ -- • attila lendvai • PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- “All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers […] Each one owes infinitely more to the human race than to the particular country in which he was born.” — Francois Fenelon
That's precisely what I said. - nick On 12 Oct 2017, at 19:45, Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name> wrote:
http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site (only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain yet. :(
On what URL do you see that ?
opening that URL above redirects me to this:
http://ilc2014.iro.umontreal.ca/
-- • attila lendvai • PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- “All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers […] Each one owes infinitely more to the human race than to the particular country in which he was born.” — Francois Fenelon
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