rdnzl-devel March 2006

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[rdnzl-devel] CL-CLR, an alternative way of working with RDNZL
by Dan Muller 29 Mar '06

29 Mar '06

I recently put together a system that I layered on top of RDNZL, in order to experiment with some alternative ways of interacting with CLR/.NET code. I'm hoping that some of the ideas could be incorporated into RDNZL. Edi's too busy to look it over right now, and he suggested that I offer for perusal here on the mailing list. Aside from making type lookup a little easier, this system tries to make your .NET-using Lisp code a bit more Lisp-like. Performance is shabby because of the layering over RDNZL; much, if not all of this, could eventually be fixed. Nonetheless, I've been using this system successfully for the past few weeks as a vehicle for exploring Direct3D programming on a WinXP system, using the LispWorks trial edition of Lisp. In order to get reasonable performance, I had to use CL-CLR:DEFINE-CLR-CALL (a thin veneer over DEFINE-RDNZL-CALL) for most calls in the rendering loop. This system *should* work with any Lisp that is supported by RDNZL. The package includes several of Microsoft's Direct3D Tutorial programs, translated to Lisp. If you have ASDF, RDNZL, and Direct3D installed, you ought to be able to run the examples with a minimum of fuss. You can download it from here: http:\\..................\cl-clr.zip Comments are welcome. You are also encouraged to laugh at the excessively long TODO.txt file. -- Dan Muller ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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[rdnzl-devel] Type lookup problems, and solutions.
by Dan Muller 10 Mar '06

10 Mar '06

(Gruess Gott, Edi, hoffentlich war der Umzug nicht allzu anstrengend!) Remember that problem I was having importing some types? I'm not sure why, but on my system, System.Type.GetTypes is more picky than RDNZL seems to expect: ;;; ;;; To demonstrate these failing tests, start with a clean Lisp image, ;;; then load RDNZL, then load this file. Assemblies can't be ;;; unloaded except by unloading their containing application domain, ;;; and you can't unload the default application domain. ;;; ;;; It's possible that the tests are sensitive to the assemblies ;;; available on my machine, but I can't find an indication in ;;; Microsoft's documentation of why that might be the case. ;;; (in-package :cl-user) (use-package :rdnzl) (import-assembly "System.Windows.Forms") ;; This fails, because the system doesn't find the type. ;; Comment it out and try reloading to move on to the next test. (new "System.Windows.Forms.Form") ;; This fails, too. Same problem. ;; Comment it out and try reloading to move on to the next test. (import-type "System.Windows.Forms.Form") ;; I also tried direct calls to System.Type.GetType with various ;; abbreviations of the fully qualified type name, leaving off ;; trailing pieces of the full assembly name. None of these succeeded. ;; This succeeds. (import-type "System.Windows.Forms.Form" (load-assembly "System.Windows.Forms")) ;; This succeeds, because RDNZL now remembers what assembly it found ;; Form in. (let ((form ;; This fails, because the system doesn't find the type. (new "System.Windows.Forms.Form"))) (invoke form "Dispose")) <end of test code> I spent a lot of time poking around in RDNZL and the .NET framework, and reading documentation. The documentation is for 2.0, FWIW, but I was careful to look only at classes and methods that were available in 1.1. What follows is a rather lengthy discussion of some possible improvements/fixes I've come up with. This goes rather beyond fixing the immediate problem, but please give it some consideration. - Have IMPORT-TYPE always retrieve and cache the assembly-qualified name of the type. Downside: This will include the exact version. This means that in a delivered application involving a saved image, there is no way to use an updated version of a used assembly. (Haven't tested for this, though.) Might be an acceptable short-term fix, though. - Have IMPORT-ASSEMBLY supply the assembly to IMPORT-TYPE. Good idea, since it's currently inconsistent about this vis-a-vis IMPORT-TYPES. But it doesn't address the problem described above. - In MAKE-TYPE-FROM-NAME, do the following. If the name is assembly-qualified (contains an unquoted paren), then use System.Type.GetType() as before. Otherwise, call System.Reflection.Assembly.GetType() on each assembly returned by System.AppDomain.CurrentDomain.GetAssemblies(). The search should be exhaustive in order to detect ambiguities, which should be signaled as errors. In IMPORT-TYPE, don't accept assembly-qualified names, and cache the actual type object instead of the fully-qualified name. During shutdown, discard these type object references. During initialization, do the lookups again. (Changes to assemblies that introduce ambiguities will cause an error during initialization.) Downsides: Names given to RDNZL for resolution must not be assembly-qualified. (Or, perhaps better, detect these and don't cache them.) It is not possible for the system to deal predictably with like-named types in multiple assemblies. All loaded assemblies would be searched, even if they were not loaded via RDNZL. The latter problem might be a liability for advanced uses, e.g. involving dynamic assemblies that are being built by the application. I tried creating a C# console application that used two assemblies with conflicting type names. You get an error only if you actually reference the conflicting type name. The error documentation explains how C# allows this problem to be worked around, using a compiler switch that assigns a prefix to all namespaces in a given assembly: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/64wh5743.aspx AFAIK, implementing a similar solution requires work on the compiler's part. I have not noticed any direct support for this aliasing in the .NET framework. So a similar solution in RDNZL would require tracking assemblies. However, this might be desirable in order to address the other problem mentioned above. If RDNZL would track loaded assemblies, only those assemblies would be searched for type name matches. If we associate an optional alias with an assembly (e.g. via an optional argument to LOAD-ASSEMBLY), then that assembly would only be searched if the type name includes the prefix, and only after removing the prefix. As a further enhancement, I'd like to actually get rid of the need for importing entirely. It doesn't seem unreasonable to search for a type regardless of whether it has been imported or not, provided that it is then always cached in *TYPE-HASH*. This way *TYPE-HASH* builds up information about all types referenced via RDNZL. Users can still make calls to primitives like System.Type.GetType() if they ever want to bypass such activity. This is also true for LOAD-ASSEMBLY, if it starts tracking assemblies. Of course, the aliasing wouldn't work if you bypass RDNZL. I have prototyped some of the low-level pieces needed for these changes, entirely in Lisp using RDNZL. I didn't want to put more work into it unless I'm sure there's interest in including it in RDNZL. (Or at least, I'll do the work differently if there isn't.) I'm particularly uncertain about issues related to saving and loading Lisp images, something I've never tried out, although I think I understand the basic concerns there. -- Dan Muller ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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