On 1/30/07, Marco Baringer mbaringer@common-lisp.net wrote:
Index: slime/ChangeLog diff -u slime/ChangeLog:1.1059 slime/ChangeLog:1.1061 --- slime/ChangeLog:1.1059 Mon Jan 29 18:43:17 2007 +++ slime/ChangeLog Tue Jan 30 17:23:39 2007 @@ -1,3 +1,14 @@ +2007-01-30 Helmut Eller heller@common-lisp.net
* slime.el (slime-complete-symbol-function): Restore old default.(set-keymap-parents): Deleted.(slime-startup-animation): Deleted.
What, the slime startup animation has been removed? First appendices are added to the manual, now the startup animation goes. Are we to retain no traditions? :-(
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:41:48 -0800, "Bill Clementson" billclem@gmail.com wrote:
What, the slime startup animation has been removed?
And not for the first time:
http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2005-February/003093.html
Looks like Helmut tries this every two years or so... :)
FWIW, I'd like to keep it, but that's just me...
Cheers, Edi.
What, the slime startup animation has been removed?
And not for the first time:
http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2005-February/ 003093.html
Looks like Helmut tries this every two years or so... :)
I have created a web-site called:
http://save-the-slime-startup-animation.info
I love this feature. It makes me feel that I have just logged in to the 'War Games' system (I saw that as a kid, loved it LOL) and that I am about to do something breathtaking with the power of SBCL, SLIME and EMACS.
PLEASE DON'T REMOVE IT!
What's wrong with just leaving the flag to disable it. Sean Charles.
(PS: Yes, a the URL is fake ;-)
The SLIME startup animation is like Neapolitan Pizza, Belgian Beer, Kentucky Bourbon, Scottish haggish Japanese animation, Algerian Couscous, Argentinian mate, Norwegian lutefisk, Catalan paella, Greek spanakopita etc etc. It just cannot go away!
The only admissible thing is to put a global switch to optionally turn it off. :)
Cheers
Marco
On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Sean Charles wrote:
What, the slime startup animation has been removed?
And not for the first time:
http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2005-February/ 003093.html
Looks like Helmut tries this every two years or so... :)
I have created a web-site called:
http://save-the-slime-startup-animation.info
I love this feature. It makes me feel that I have just logged in to the 'War Games' system (I saw that as a kid, loved it LOL) and that I am about to do something breathtaking with the power of SBCL, SLIME and EMACS.
PLEASE DON'T REMOVE IT!
What's wrong with just leaving the flag to disable it. Sean Charles.
(PS: Yes, a the URL is fake ;-)
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Edi Weitz wrote:
What, the slime startup animation has been removed?
And not for the first time:
http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2005-February/003093.html
Looks like Helmut tries this every two years or so... :)
FWIW, I'd like to keep it, but that's just me...
Actually, it's not just you. See the thread from 2005 ;-)
Arthur
"Arthur Lemmens" alemmens@xs4all.nl writes:
Edi Weitz wrote:
What, the slime startup animation has been removed?
And not for the first time:
http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2005-February/003093.html
Looks like Helmut tries this every two years or so... :)
FWIW, I'd like to keep it, but that's just me...
Actually, it's not just you. See the thread from 2005 ;-)
FWIW I'd remove it, because I like things on my screen to happen as immediately as possible instead of as nice as possible. Thus, no animated iconification of windows, no animated switching of desktops, no animated start of Slime :-)
A switch is enough for me, of course.
Stefan
Stefan Kamphausen wrote:
FWIW I'd remove it, because I like things on my screen to happen as immediately as possible instead of as nice as possible. Thus, no animated iconification of windows, no animated switching of desktops, no animated start of Slime :-)
A switch is enough for me, of course.
Why do not make parameter/hook in ~/.emacs for enable/disable animation?
"Bill Clementson" billclem@gmail.com writes:
What, the slime startup animation has been removed? First appendices are added to the manual, now the startup animation goes. Are we to retain no traditions? :-(
personally i hate the animation, but a lot of people like it and there was already a switch to turn it off[1], hell, it was even a defcustom...
i don't get this.
[1] - the most cherished line of my .emacs is this:
(setf slime-startup-animation nil)
Marco Baringer mb@bese.it writes:
i don't get this.
i restored the animation (and the defcustom which controls it).
helmut: i guess i could understand changing the default to nil or something but i don't see why you'd want to drop it totally. Sure it's bloat and it's ugly and Real Men don't waste cpu cycles on eye candy, but still it's only 10 lines, it has something of a cult following and, from where i'm standing, your commit seems a bit drastic.
was this something in a private branch of yours which got commited by accident?
Even though Real People have cursors that don't blink and type without tactile feedback!
Thanks for saving the animation!!
On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Marco Baringer wrote:
Marco Baringer mb@bese.it writes:
i don't get this.
i restored the animation (and the defcustom which controls it).
helmut: i guess i could understand changing the default to nil or something but i don't see why you'd want to drop it totally. Sure it's bloat and it's ugly and Real Men don't waste cpu cycles on eye candy, but still it's only 10 lines, it has something of a cult following and, from where i'm standing, your commit seems a bit drastic.
was this something in a private branch of yours which got commited by accident?
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* Marco Baringer [2007-01-31 14:27+0100] writes:
Marco Baringer mb@bese.it writes:
i don't get this.
i restored the animation (and the defcustom which controls it).
helmut: i guess i could understand changing the default to nil or something but i don't see why you'd want to drop it totally. Sure it's bloat and it's ugly and Real Men don't waste cpu cycles on eye candy, but still it's only 10 lines, it has something of a cult following and, from where i'm standing, your commit seems a bit drastic.
Just to make it clear: I wrote the animation bit a few years ago.
I find it rather strange that I'm not allowed to remove my own code.
Helmut.
Helmut Eller heller@common-lisp.net writes:
I find it rather strange that I'm not allowed to remove my own code.
You are of course welcome to remove it from your own copy. However, it seems unreasonable to assume you can remove your contributions from the community's version of a project at any point. No other project I know of seems to work this way.
/s
"Sean O'Rourke" sorourke@cs.ucsd.edu writes:
Helmut Eller heller@common-lisp.net writes:
I find it rather strange that I'm not allowed to remove my own code.
You are of course welcome to remove it from your own copy. However, it seems unreasonable to assume you can remove your contributions from the community's version of a project at any point. No other project I know of seems to work this way.
I find the "community's version" to be a rather curious concept. If anyone has a moral ownership of Slime, it's Helmut, who has contributed by far the most to it.
Juho Snellman jsnell@iki.fi writes:
I find the "community's version" to be a rather curious concept.
Why? Since it's mixed GPL / public domain, each of us can have a personal copy. A canonical version is, by agreement and to ease collaborative development, kept in a CVS repository on common-lisp.net. I'm calling this the "community's version" -- you can call it whatever you want, but that's all I mean by the phrase. If we had some sort of distributed version control, maybe there would be no "community's version" at all. Maybe I should call it a "reference," "common," or "baseline" version instead to be more precise.
Those who contribute more (i.e. not me) have more say in how the project evolves, but I don't claim some sort of ownership over the particular lines I've contributed, and I don't think that's the way things work in other projects, either.
If anyone has a moral ownership of Slime, it's Helmut, who has contributed by far the most to it.
Sorry, but (IMHO) no one has "moral ownership." You contribute code, you give up exclusive ownership.
/s
On 2/2/07, Sean O'Rourke sorourke@cs.ucsd.edu wrote:
Juho Snellman jsnell@iki.fi writes:
I find the "community's version" to be a rather curious concept.
Me too.
Those who contribute more (i.e. not me) have more say in how the project evolves, but I don't claim some sort of ownership over the particular lines I've contributed, and I don't think that's the way things work in other projects, either.
Let's look at contribution then. The tables below just show number of commits to slime.el and swank.lisp. They don't reflect size or quality. If they did then the case for Helmut's moral ownership would be even stronger.
slime.el:
287 heller 205 lgorrie 76 mbaringer 64 mkoeppe 31 alendvai 24 aruttenberg 20 lukeg 11 dbarlow 8 pseibel 8 ellerh 5 jsnellman 5 eweitz 5 crhodes 4 nsiivola 4 bdowning 1 wjenkner 1 vsedach 1 jbielman 1 jamesjb 1 asimon
swank.lisp:
192 heller 91 lgorrie 42 mbaringer 41 mkoeppe 25 alendvai 16 lukeg 9 ellerh 9 dbarlow 7 aruttenberg 6 eweitz 5 pseibel 4 dcrosher 4 crhodes 2 vsedach 2 nsiivola 2 jsnellman 2 bdowning 2 asimon 1 wjenkner 1 jbielman
If those tables show anything it's that about four people have any business commenting on the direction of the project. IMHO, everyone else should seriously tone down their comments.
If anyone has a moral ownership of Slime, it's Helmut, who has contributed by far the most to it.
Very true.
Michael
"Michael Price" michael@ectospheno.com writes:
If those tables show anything it's that about four people have any business commenting on the direction of the project. IMHO, everyone else should seriously tone down their comments.
Thank you for making this point.
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