My name is Boris, and i have a question that google can not answer. I want to buy a very old notebook and i wonder will i be able to run slime on it. The notebook is Toshiba Saellite 2100CS with i486 DX 25 processor and 8 Mb ram. I want to install Dewbian Linux on it and work in text mode. (no XWindows). Will i be able use EMACS+SLIME+LISP on it ??? Sorry bothering you, but don't know anybody else to ask.
"borisman@netmail.kg" borisman@netmail.kg writes:
My name is Boris, and i have a question that google can not answer. I want to buy a very old notebook and i wonder will i be able to run slime on it. The notebook is Toshiba Saellite 2100CS with i486 DX 25 processor and 8 Mb ram. I want to install Dewbian Linux on it and work in text mode. (no XWindows). Will i be able use EMACS+SLIME+LISP on it ???
^^
your '?' key is broken.
Anyway, this is what I get when I start emacs21/SLIME/clisp:
% ps axuwwS [...] gefla 5020 0.1 3.0 18980 15464 pts/1 S 16:00 0:17 emacs -rv -geometry 80x53-0+34 -fn -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--20-200-75-75-C-100-ISO8859-1 gefla 5328 6.0 1.1 10712 5844 pts/0 Ss+ 19:51 0:07 /usr/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run -B /usr/lib/clisp -M /usr/lib/clisp/base/lispinit.mem -N /usr/share/locale [...]
That means emacs and clisp have VSZ larger than three times your total system memory capacity. Now I don't know how much of that memory is active(*), but I would suspect that it would be not much fun to run emacs and clisp on 8MB main memory. Emacs alone is nicknamed 'eight megabytes and constantly swapping'.
On the other hand, if you have patience and enough swapspace, I believe it should work.
Goodbyte, Gerd.
(*) is there an easy way to find out?
On 6/20/05, borisman@netmail.kg borisman@netmail.kg wrote:
My name is Boris, and i have a question that google can not answer. I want to buy a very old notebook and i wonder will i be able to run slime on it. The notebook is Toshiba Saellite 2100CS with i486 DX 25 processor and 8 Mb ram. I want to install Dewbian Linux on it and work in text mode. (no XWindows). Will i be able use EMACS+SLIME+LISP on it ???
Slime itself should be no problem, nor should Emacs. Lisp, however, might be; some implementations, such as sbcl/cmucl, apparently consume vast amounts of memory. I haven't tried running either on a computer where memory is genuinely limited, but I suggest trying clisp first; others may be aware of even lower-footprint implementations.
It is also possible to run Lisp on a separate machine from the one running Emacs; assuming your network connection is stable, this is a very good option.
Svein Ove Aas wrote:
On 6/20/05, borisman@netmail.kg borisman@netmail.kg wrote:
My name is Boris, and i have a question that google can not answer. I want to buy a very old notebook and i wonder will i be able to run slime on it. The notebook is Toshiba Saellite 2100CS with i486 DX 25 processor and 8 Mb ram. I want to install Dewbian Linux on it and work in text mode. (no XWindows). Will i be able use EMACS+SLIME+LISP on it ???
Slime itself should be no problem, nor should Emacs. Lisp, however, might be;
Ok; I wrote a much longer private e-mail to the OP, but I feel a need to summarize the main point here, for archival purposes. Linux in 8MB, on ancient graphics HW, with probably a small HD? This is ridiculous. The OP is dreaming. Prove that you can even run Linux first on such a worthless system, and then we'll talk about whether you can run anything on top of it. I was doing 16MB RAM on Linux in 1993, and it was uncomfortable by 1996. Time would be better spent on a minimum wage job to acquire old but more recent HW.
Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
Svein Ove Aas wrote:
On 6/20/05, borisman@netmail.kg borisman@netmail.kg wrote:
My name is Boris, and i have a question that google can not answer. I want to buy a very old notebook and i wonder will i be able to run slime on it. The notebook is Toshiba Saellite 2100CS with i486 DX 25 processor and 8 Mb ram. I want to install Dewbian Linux on it and work in text mode. (no XWindows). Will i be able use EMACS+SLIME+LISP on it ???
Slime itself should be no problem, nor should Emacs. Lisp, however, might be;
Ok; I wrote a much longer private e-mail to the OP, but I feel a need to summarize the main point here, for archival purposes. Linux in 8MB, on ancient graphics HW, with probably a small HD? This is ridiculous. The OP is dreaming. Prove that you can even run Linux first on such a worthless system, and then we'll talk about whether you can run anything on top of it. I was doing 16MB RAM on Linux in 1993, and it was uncomfortable by 1996. Time would be better spent on a minimum wage job to acquire old but more recent HW.
I really should have responded publically in the 1st place, to save all the private responses about the OP's probably lack of funds, etc. Points:
1) there's unlikely to be any graphics driver available for his laptop screen 2) the HD is probably not big enough to hold a Linux distro 3) wanting things to work won't make them work 4) being poor won't make them work 5) if work / income isn't available, then the OP would be better off trying to get someone to donate a better computer to him 6) if donations aren't possible, then he'll need to find a school or university computer to timeshare on or something.
(5) and (6) are better uses of time than trying to get Linux to work on this ancient laptop.
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