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[toronto-lisp] A Not Strictly Lisp Question
by David Penton 09 Nov '09

09 Nov '09

Or maybe, to be frank, perhaps not a lisp question at all. So delete this if you are busy. However...from the two meetings of the Toronto lisp group I have attended, I gather that several of you do web development, or related stuff. So some of you are probably knowledgeable in areas that are a mystery to me. I made it CASCON today and enjoyed the session on "Practical Ontology Infrastructure". Of course, this topic has plenty of connections to things that may interest the lisp community. But that topic is not the source of my questions, or rather my bafflement. Over the past ten years I have often been utterly flummoxed and not a little annoyed when I try to grasp what is going on in the "business world" of computing. At CASCON this week many of the sessions were about SOA (Service Oriented Architecture). The notion of SOA came to my attention some time ago, but although I looked it up on wikipedia and even read some commercial blurbs on it, I still have no damned idea what they are talking about. I enjoy learning things that seem like "computer science." But I cannot for the life of me penetrate this combined computing and business stuff. From my limited, jaded, and admittedly dated perspective, it seems we are subjected to a never-ending succession of questionable panaceas, cooked up - maybe - by marketing people. The ones that are about computing over the internet seem particularly offensively squishy to me. Would anybody be willing to fill me in, perhaps not on the mailing list if it is too off-topic? LIke, as I struggle to learn lisp and such, should I really pay attention to "software as a service", "service oriented architecture", and so on ad infinitum? Or should I just grow old and die of gum disease and varicose veins. F**k. - Dave -

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[toronto-lisp] Japanese Lisp Manga
by Rudolf Olah 09 Nov '09

09 Nov '09

http://lambda.bugyo.tk/cdr/mwl/ It's awesome. Looks great, no idea what the words mean, but the code snippets look nice and easy :-D -Rudolf

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[toronto-lisp] Link: Array languages for Lisp programmers
by Abram Hindle 07 Nov '09

07 Nov '09

http://www.vector.org.uk/?vol=24&no=2&art=blazeski A comparison of J and Q and lisp and how you do J and Q things in lisp. Also a comparison of functional snippets versus the loop macro. abram

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[toronto-lisp] Some notes about this meeting
by Abram Hindle 04 Nov '09

04 Nov '09

* Lisp Meet - Java Dissambly - 11 people - SISC used for webapps - weblocks for CL - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-weblocks/ - used tomcat to run SISC scripts - composure in clojure (web framework) - Doug Explains antiweb - explains pre-forking - antiweb pools processes - processes can have more than 1 connection - goal: reliability - process oriented - hub - route msgs - logger - priveledged port listening and transfering - etc. - transfer connections to other processes - send filehandle over a socket - domain sockets - scmwrites - sendmsg manpage - doesn't proxy like ngix - serves static content - runs lisp for dynamic content - claims it is easy to setup - db layer to be done - bdb - transactions - for admins - awp files - like php - caches - lisp forms - (page ...) - compiled - post handler and get handler do dynamic content.. - build http response - give it headers etc. - cared about # of syscalls that responsed - vish asked how to scale up to multiple installations - not quite there yet - ngix to dispatch to antiweb if you want it - supervisor processes - - weblocks build script broken - let over lambda discussion - closures & OO - macros - free vars - var capture - duality of syntax - read macros - hooks into the textual processor - how to read strings in differently - not in scheme - double quote is a read macro - paren is a read macro - clojure against read macros - perl vs lisp - like sourcefilter but more reliable - plt blog - camlp4 in ocaml http://www.ocaml-tutorial.org/camlp4_3.10/foreach_tutorial - closures & macros - pandora's macros - like tcl's uplevel - lexical scope, open it up - alambda binds self - effeciency - get close to metal - smart array making - sorting network - selection networks - forth - threads as cons - forth review - there's compiler macros in chap7 - precompute format strings - precomputation - keyword macro - scheme - small scheme - big scheme - r6rs - new scheme plans - continuations - gambit has serializable continuations - business processes are boring - paul grahm and continuations (on lisp) w/ closures - dangers of crypto & sending the user their state - web programming - ruby/python - large community - community support - base64 as an example of why you want libs - iron scheme & common larceny - r6rs compatible? - common larceny does - libraries - antiweb - CFFI - http://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/ - gambit scheme - iphone app - embed C inside - apple hates freedom - abram trolls the entire group about software freedoms - sorry XD - vish talks about C# and tools - F# ! - some stuff I forget - william gibson and CL - greg wilson talk at DEV days - toronto news - accordian guy - uot events - our list - tpm - trug - lugs - python users group - toronto perl mongers -

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[toronto-lisp] Java Disassembling [discussed at meeting]
by Abram Hindle 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

http://jode.sourceforge.net/ http://jreversepro.blogspot.com/ http://www.program-transformation.org/Transform/JavaDecompilers#Decompiler_… abram

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[toronto-lisp] Next meetup, Tuesday November 3rd?
by Rudolf Olah 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

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[toronto-lisp] More Sexprs versus XML links
by Abram Hindle 02 Nov '09

02 Nov '09

http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/xml-or-s-expressions/ and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?XmlIsaPoorCopyOfEssExpressions More on S-expres http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EssExpressions abram

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[toronto-lisp] Antiweb available on github
by doug＠hcsw.org 25 Oct '09

25 Oct '09

We just pushed our git repository to github: http://github.com/hoytech/antiweb Official releases will still be tarballed and archived on the antiweb website: http://hoytech.com/antiweb/ Doug

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[toronto-lisp] New recruit
by Brian Connoy 24 Oct '09

24 Oct '09

FYI ... we just might have a new recruit at the next meetup. Yesterday, while seated on the bus with my nose buried (as usual) in a Lisp book, a young woman seated to my left asked excitedly "Is that Scheme!?" It was indeed; the fourth edition of "The Scheme Programming Language". Her name is Laura.

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[toronto-lisp] Smalltalk TV and Toronto Smalltalk Group
by Rudolf Olah 20 Oct '09

20 Oct '09

Apparently the Toronto Smalltalk Group has put together something called Smalltalk TV. I just spotted the article in Dr Dobb's Journal http://www.ddj.com/architect/220100617 And the website itself: http://www.smalltalktelevision.com/

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