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[toronto-lisp] Article about the meta-circularness of LISP
by Abram Hindle 11 Dec '08

11 Dec '08

http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/153 Talks about the current lisp community. I think it gives too much credit to Lemonodor. abram

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[toronto-lisp] 6 January 2009 Meetup, previous meetups
by Rudolf 10 Dec '08

10 Dec '08

The next meetup will be on 6 January 2009. That's the first Tuesday of the month. I finally got around to updating the wiki with Abram's notes (thanks for those). Added links to them too. Anyone (or two) willing to do a presentation in January? -Rudolf O.

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[toronto-lisp] My notes on the recent meeting
by Abram Hindle 03 Dec '08

03 Dec '08

Here are my toronto lisp users group notes. The topics are expressed in rough order of appearance. Sorry no hyperlinks right now. * LISP Meeting <2008-12-02 Tue> Overall the meeting was about communication, semantics, lexicons and models. Oh with a real lack of syntax (use sexprs) unless we need it. Gary probably led most of the discussion. How does this relate to LISP? Sexprs and expressability. *** Concurrency -> Expressability of Lisp - The language problem - ORC - stratego - programming rewriting - TXL etc - issue of performance - Adoption - low level lisp - sassy - assembler and scheme macros - call out to scheme - siag - scheme in a grid - proto scheme - natural language ??? - legalese - semantics - grammar - lexical - more semantics - more semantics - back to concurrency support - call return - grammar - did I mention semantics *** Convienance - Prolog to lisp and vice versa - erlang - concurrency convienance *** GUIs - Book: Humane interface - jeff raskin - ... missed some *** Visualization -> Diagrams - studies - communication - diagrams have limitations - discussion - making diagrams - executability *** Tree structured program - Book: Design Driven Design - macros are semantics independant - why bother making the syntax - work on semantics - SE & Tree Structure - Tree Specs - Executable specs - formal specs? - formal language for specs? - use sexprs - human translation to - formal?? - paraphrased: - gary says model driven design/arch/spec - fails due to a lack of lisp? - Elegance versus symbolics - nice drawings mean - problem is defined - once you can winnow SE down to diagrams - you're a real engineer - Book: Realistic Compiler Generator from MIT Press. *** Meeting Ended *** people in attendance - abram - brian - paul - justin - james - chris - gary

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[toronto-lisp] Next meetup. Tuesday December 2nd?
by Rudolf 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

That's the first Tuesday of the month and that's what everyone seemed to agree on is a good date, right? I'm going to miss it again because of an exam :'( On the plus side I've been checking out the Processing language because of the course and wrote up an Emacs mode for it. -Rudolf O.

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Re: [toronto-lisp] Next meetup. Tuesday December 2nd?
by gfb＠cs.toronto.edu 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 03:15:43PM -0500, Justin Giancola wrote: > I don't know if it would qualify as "specialized Lisp-related > experience" but over the past few months I've spent a disproportionate > amount of my free time reading about and programming in Clojure. That's exactly what I was interested in knowing (in two senses: knowing that someone who knows some Clojure would be there :)#). I might print out (I'm between laptops) http://clojure.org/{concurrent_programming,refs,agents,other_libraries} and bring it to spark some questions for me. I'd also be interested in "getting started" type information that fell through any cracks in the documentation. I'm also interested in it from the perspective of using it for teaching courses that might traditionally use C or other specicalized concurrent, parallel, etc languages. [...]

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[toronto-lisp] Summary of Meeting Nov 4
by Abram Hindle 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Here are my notes, feel free to fill anything in if you attended: 5 people attended. Talked about: * Books ** Let Over Lisp (LOL). A book about Macros and Lisp. *** Author has very strong opinion about hygiene ** Functional Data Structures *** Useful for undo-able operations *** Non-mutable data structures ** On Lisp was mentioned in passing, LOL is supposed to be the follow up. * Emacs ** Like usual emacs came up ** Org-mode *** Useful for "Getting Things Done" (TM) *** Does hierarchical foldable lists with little text GUI widgets ** electric buffers ** navigating buffers ** SLIME + Clojure ** Quack for Scheme * Scheme ** Hygenic macros (RE LOL) ** Chicken Scheme *** Good library support *** Close to UNIX ** PLT Scheme *** immutable cons cells *** Performance improving *** Lots of code *** DrScheme debugger and macro expander *** Use w/ quack w/ Emacs * Clojure ** http://blip.tv/file/1313398/ ** doto macro (doto a (b) (c) (d)) instead of (. a (b)) (. a (c)) ... ** Laziness of sequences ** Is Map lazy? No it just returns a lazy sequence and guarantees no order of application ** arity functions * Vector graphics in CL ** Vecto library for vector graphics *** Very pretty movie charts w/ timeline stuff **** http://www.xach.com/moviecharts/ ** cl-svg - data driven svg bindings *** http://code.google.com/p/cl-svg/wiki/API_Basics ** cl-rsvg - cairo svg bindings - *** http://www.cliki.net/cl-rsvg * OODBMS in CL and Serialization ** DB4O in java and clojure ** Querying in OODBs ** PLOB ** How to mark something "Transient" when serializing? ** Some DBs http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/bdb http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/bknr http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/clouchdb http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/elephant http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/PLOB http://common-lisp.net/project/clouchdb/ * Blogs ** Stackoverflow, how it is full of funny stuff **** Mosquito Lisp -> Wasp Lisp - tiny embedded buffer overflow lisp *** Joel Spolsky is Joel Lolsky *** Lemonodor lisp/robotics *** Overcoming Bias - not lisp but rationality * Graph Rewriting ** Fluid-let ** Pacman *Lush * Tuesday was ok except there was a DJANGO sig at the same time at Linux Cafe

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[toronto-lisp] meeting dates
by Paul Tarvydas 03 Nov '08

03 Nov '08

Have we decided on 1st Tuesdays? Are we meeting tomorrow (Nov. 4)? pt

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[toronto-lisp] meeting dates
by Paul Tarvydas 03 Nov '08

03 Nov '08

I completely missed the discussion that set the first Thursday of the month to be the Toronto Lisp User Group meeting date, so I don't know if my question is ridiculous (e.g. akin to arguing about editors): Is it possible to consider another day for the regular meetings? I have a conflict with the first Thursday of the month (Royal Astronomical Society meetings on the first Thursday). Other Thursdays are good, and Tuesdays are good for me. If the day can't be changed, then I will simply have to choose to skip some meetings, when I wish to attend the RASC meetings. pt

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[toronto-lisp] I missed the meetup tonight!
by Rudolf 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

Can someone (or two) give a summary of what went on? What was the presentation about, what was it like? Are there slides that can be viewed online? Sorry for missing out, I thought the cold I had would be destroyed by meds by 5pm, but nope :-/ -Rudolf

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[toronto-lisp] meeting tonight?
by Paul Tarvydas 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

Is the next TLUG meeting tonight (Oct. 2)? LinuxCafe? pt

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