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[toronto-lisp] Toronto Lisp mailing list admin
by Rudolf Olah 20 Jan '10

20 Jan '10

Hey, I'm still the admin for the mailing list, it's weird. So who's taken over the organization of things now? I can log in and change up the admin info and send it over or we can talk to the common-lisp.net mailing list people about how to switch things over. -Rudolf

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Re: [toronto-lisp] toronto-lisp Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5
by Mark Bolusmjak 09 Jan '10

09 Jan '10

I'm using VimClojure (and a few shell scripts) for Clojure and DrScheme for PLT-Scheme. VimClojure seems a little flaky at times. e.g. You start a REPL or evaluate a file and it complains. You try again without doing anything and then it works. The commercial version of IntelliJ Idea has a very solid Clojure plugin (but I don't know if the community version of Idea does/will support it). On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <toronto-lisp-request(a)common-lisp.net> wrote: > Send toronto-lisp mailing list submissions to > toronto-lisp(a)common-lisp.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/toronto-lisp > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > toronto-lisp-request(a)common-lisp.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > toronto-lisp-owner(a)common-lisp.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of toronto-lisp digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. development environments (David Penton) > 2. Re: development environments (Vishvajit Singh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:39:36 -0500 > From: David Penton <djp(a)arqux.com> > Subject: [toronto-lisp] development environments > To: toronto lisp <toronto-lisp(a)common-lisp.net> > Message-ID: <8D13BE6F-339E-4294-890E-2402501935D3(a)arqux.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I would like to know what development s/w other group members are using for Lisp or Scheme or name-your-poison. > > When I first joined the mailing list Paul Tarvydas and Brian Connoy indicated that they use LW. > > For the moment I am happy with slime+emacs. I use both sbcl and ccl. Anybody else doing slime+emacs? My reason for asking is to pick your brains when I run into trouble ;-) > > Best, > > - Dave - > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 01:16:30 -0500 > From: Vishvajit Singh <vishvajitsingh(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [toronto-lisp] development environments > To: David Penton <djp(a)arqux.com> > Cc: toronto lisp <toronto-lisp(a)common-lisp.net> > Message-ID: > <520868e81001082216w1e7c0c15qaecc644e6721c213(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm using SLIME+Emacs, with Clojure as my weapon of choice. > > Funny thing - I'm still running Clojure off of their SVN repository. > Switching over to http://github.com/richhickey/clojure/ is on my todo > list. > > Vish > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:39 PM, David Penton <djp(a)arqux.com> wrote: >> I would like to know what development s/w other group members are using for Lisp or Scheme or name-your-poison. >> >> When I first joined the mailing list Paul Tarvydas and Brian Connoy indicated that they use LW. >> >> For the moment I am happy with slime+emacs. I use both sbcl and ccl. Anybody else doing slime+emacs? My reason for asking is to pick your brains when I run into trouble ;-) >> >> Best, >> >> - Dave - >> _______________________________________________ >> toronto-lisp mailing list >> toronto-lisp(a)common-lisp.net >> http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/toronto-lisp >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > toronto-lisp mailing list > toronto-lisp(a)common-lisp.net > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/toronto-lisp > > > End of toronto-lisp Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5 > ******************************************* >

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[toronto-lisp] development environments
by David Penton 09 Jan '10

09 Jan '10

I would like to know what development s/w other group members are using for Lisp or Scheme or name-your-poison. When I first joined the mailing list Paul Tarvydas and Brian Connoy indicated that they use LW. For the moment I am happy with slime+emacs. I use both sbcl and ccl. Anybody else doing slime+emacs? My reason for asking is to pick your brains when I run into trouble ;-) Best, - Dave -

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[toronto-lisp] lisp reading list
by Paul Tarvydas 08 Jan '10

08 Jan '10

At the end of this month's meeting, Justin asked what are some of the seminal lisp books to bring on a long trip. I found that I was unable to immediately answer the question. After pondering this on the way home, I realized that I didn't learn lisp from books - I learned it by reading source code of implementations of lisp. In addition to this, good lispery doesn't necessarily come from learning lisp. It also comes from being a generalist - learning as many paradigms as possible, then using lisp as the vessel for combining those paradigms. (One of the more extreme examples of using lisp as a vessel might be SICP - the Structured Interpretation of Classical Mechanics, Sussman and Wisdom, http://mitpress.mit.edu/SICM/) Here's a brief summary of what I read / did: - played with writing assembler code for Z80's and MC6809's - read source code for Tiny Basic (Dr. Dobb's Journal of Computer Calisthenics and Orthodontia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_BASIC) - read source code for Utah Lisp (IBM 360). - read source code for Fritz van der Wateren's MC6800 Lisp and transcribed it to run on a Z80. - read Lisp 1.5 Manual http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/book/LISP%201.5%20Program… - read John R. Allen's "Anatomy of Lisp" (a book) and implemented the lisp compiler contained in it on the Z80 lisp (fixing a few bugs in the book). It ran in 22K of RAM and successfully compiled the IOTA function to Z80 machine code. - learned how to build compilers by reading the source code to Small C (it became my 4th year EE thesis project - I rewrote the whole thing using "better" compiler techniques and got it to self-compile). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_C - learned how multi-tasking works by reading Ric Holt's small, but wonderful books on the subject, the most up-to-date one being, I think, "Concurrent Euclid, Unix and Tunis". - read source code for V7 Unix (which is now published in book form, with a front cover illustration of students making clandestine copies of the source on a xerox machine, heh, heh). - read source code for Tunis. - (I only recently read the Smalltalk Blue Book http://web.archive.org/web/20070927190722/http://users.ipa.net/~dwighth/sma… - it is clearly an inspired work). - read papers on Orthogonal Code Generation (Cordy, et al) and Fraser-Davidson compilation techniques (long before gnu-c existed, gcc uses Fraser-Davidson RTL as its core). - read source code for PT Pascal, Tiny Pascal, Concurrent Euclid, S/SL, etc. - read and implemented the WAM tutorial http://web.archive.org/web/20030213072337/http://www.vanx.org/archive/wam/w… (I wrote the WAM in CL, but haven't finished debugging it yet). As I look at the list above, I note that most of the implementations I read were done on "simple" hardware (no mmus, pipelining, security rings, mmap'ed files, etc). This made the material accessible, readable, understandable, and brief. Understanding compilers helped me understand macros, since CL macros are similar to having a language with YACC built into it. So, another suggestion for reading up on lisp, is to read the source code for some of the simple lisp and non-lisp "classics", and then to spiral into lisp. (I can't vouch for it since I haven't done so, but maybe some of the open-source CL's would make good reading, too). pt ps. If anyone wants the source for Frits van der Wateren's lisp, I'm hoping to scan it in and post it on my site (I have his permission). At one point I was toying with the idea of bringing it back to life by writing a 6800 simulator (in CL). pps. If there is sufficient interest, I could bring and explain the (assembler) source of FvdW lisp to one of the meetings. It would be a quick and easy intro to assembler and to low-level lisp structures.

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[toronto-lisp] access to previous value in loop
by Justin Giancola 08 Jan '10

08 Jan '10

Abram--I stumbled upon equals-then assignment clauses when reading up on something else I'd needed to do with loop: (loop repeat 5 for prev = 0 then i for i = 17 then (1+ i) collect (cons i prev)) ; => ((17 . 0) (18 . 17) (19 . 18) (20 . 19) (21 . 20)) note: these clauses are evaluated in order so this example wouldn't work if the equals-then clause for i appeared before the one for prev. if the prev clause comes first, it can take the value of i from the previous iteration before it's updated. Justin

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[toronto-lisp] manardb: Fast, persistent, mmap'd Lisp object store
by Abram Hindle 07 Jan '10

07 Jan '10

http://www.cliki.net/manardb This object store abuses mmap and tries to avoid your GC at the same time, so large databases can exist on disk and not use up all of your available memory? Depends on your mmap implementation but it is still interesting. http://cl-www.msi.co.jp/projects/manardb/index.html Efficiency > According to our benchmarks, when instantiating a object with two > slots one million times, manardb is about seven times faster than > AllegroCache 2.1.11 on Allegro 8.1, and about fifteen times faster > than AllegroCache on SBCL 1.0.31. It is more than ten times faster to > iterate over the 1M objects created and sum the values of one > numeric slot on Allegro Lisp, and about one hundred times faster on > SBCL. Portability > It uses the mremap system call so is restricted to Linux. It would be > trivial to change the mremap to a munmap, followed by mmap on other > UN*X like platforms, as manardb is already prepared for the base > address of the mapping to change. abram

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[toronto-lisp] Toronto Lisp Meet for Jan 5, 2010
by Abram Hindle 06 Jan '10

06 Jan '10

6 people attended tonights meet. Here are some links to lisp game blogs that was discussed: David O'Toole's lisp game dev blog http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/ Sanctuary game: http://dto.github.com/notebook/sanctuary.html List of some recent lisp games: http://xach.livejournal.com/237639.html Another lisp games blog: http://funcallgames.wordpress.com/ My tower defense source code: http://github.com/abramhindle/towers Death's tower defense source code (he's the original author and he's really shaping up the code): http://github.com/death/towers http://github.com/death For the meeting we talked about: * Border security * Altemeyer's book on Authoritarianism ** http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ * Lisp games ** towers *** http://github.com/death/towers *** http://github.com/abramhindle/towers ** XONG *** http://dto.github.com/notebook/xong.html ** Sanctuary *** http://dto.github.com/notebook/sanctuary.html * Loop macro ** http://www.ai.sri.com/pkarp/loop.html ** http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/doc/cl/loop.html ** http://exploring-lisp.blogspot.com/2007/06/in-defense-of-loop.html * Iterate macro ** http://common-lisp.net/project/iterate/ ** http://common-lisp.net/project/iterate/doc/Don_0027t-Loop-Iterate.html * Doug's form validation macro ** http://github.com/hoytech/antiweb *** somewhere in there :D http://github.com/hoytech/antiweb/commit/9c89d1e251704f301460f97338b3e2e27c… Small but a good meet nonetheless. abram

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[toronto-lisp] Reminder: TorLisp meeting, Tues Jan 5 @ LinuxCaffe
by Vishvajit Singh 05 Jan '10

05 Jan '10

Looking forward to our first meeting of the New Year.. Toronto Lisp Users Group, January Meeting: Tuesday January 5th, 6pm, at the Linux Caffe Directions: http://tinyurl.com/linuxcafe-lisp-meet Brave the cold and meet your fellow Lispers! http://www.lisptoronto.org/ Best wishes, Vish

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[toronto-lisp] next meeting
by Paul Tarvydas 24 Dec '09

24 Dec '09

The next meeting is on Tuesday, January 5, 2010. Does anyone volunteer to give a talk? If you have suggestions on topics you would like to hear about, please post them - it might inspire someone to give a talk. Possible suggestions: - optimization, writing efficient CL - survey of repositories - specific libraries.

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[toronto-lisp] Lenient structs
by doug＠hcsw.org 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

I mentioned "lenient structs" at the meeting today and like I said they are a simple but useful example of read macros. A lenient struct is a class wrapper around a list with a special print-object method that makes it print like a struct. The only (defined) thing you can do with lenient structs is print them back out again. Here's the interesting part about lenient structs with respect to read macros: The with-lenient-struct-reader macro installs a custom reader function in a read-table that, when in effect, will cause read-from-string et al to read #S(...) forms as lenient structs instead of regular structs, overriding the system's structure reader function. Lenient structs are used in antiweb so that an intermediate lisp image process in an antiweb system doesn't need to have the structure in question's defstruct definition in order to read it in, process it (as an atom), store it to a DB, read it back out, and print it out to another process. http://hoytech.com/antiweb/ ;; lenient-struct is so we can read in and print out structs even without a corresponding defstruct (defclass lenient-struct () ((contents :accessor lenient-struct-contents :initform nil :initarg :contents))) (defmethod print-object ((l lenient-struct) (s stream)) (format s "#S~S" (lenient-struct-contents l))) (defmacro! with-lenient-struct-reader (&rest body) `(let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable *readtable*))) (let ((,g!read-handler (lambda (stream sub-char numarg) (declare (ignore sub-char numarg)) (unless (char= #\( (read-char stream)) ;) (error "bad lenient-struct form")) ;( (make-instance 'lenient-struct :contents (read-delimited-list #\) stream t))))) (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\s ,g!read-handler) (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\S ,g!read-handler) ,@body)))

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[toronto-lisp] My notes of the Toronto Lisp Meeting <2009-12-01 Tue>
by Abram Hindle 02 Dec '09

02 Dec '09

* Lisp meeting <2009-12-01 Tue> - Emacs - Defunkt mode - XONG - Google talk - sawzi - Sawzall - Google and machine learning on large datasets - Interpreting the Data: Parallel Analysis with Sawzall > Title: Extreme Data Mining: Machine Learning in Adwords and Google Product Search > Date: Monday, November 30, 2009 at 5pm. > Location: Institute for Quantum Computing, 475 Wes Graham Way, 2nd Floor (RAC Seminar Room) > Map URL: http://bit.ly/InstQuantumComputing > Admission: Free (Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally available and useful) > This Doc URL: http://bit.ly/ExtremeDataMining - Reader Macros - by doug - builds up lists - frames - read delimited list - security issues with #. - how to ignore errors - potential DOS - http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_rd_del.htm - read CL by guy steele, table with each character - the readtable - backquote is code.. - meant to be eval'd - `(print ,a) -> (list print value-of-a) - nested backquote.. uhhhh - Reserve our meeting next time, those android devs are trying to infringe on our turf - Serialization - define a generic - print-method - roll your own - more readermacro stuff - how to deal with transients - #<> can't be deserialized - Possible modules http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/bdb http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/bknr http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/clouchdb http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/elephant http://www.cl-user.net/asp/libs/PLOB http://common-lisp.net/project/clouchdb/ http://cl-user.net/asp/libs/cl-store http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-perec/ - why FSFS was used for subversion http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/info/fsfs - Tokyo Cabinet key store http://www.igvita.com/2009/02/13/tokyo-cabinet-beyond-key-value-store/ http://1978th.net/tokyocabinet/ - Couchdb http://couchdb.apache.org/ - More BDB - What if HDDs were as fast as memory - Solid state database speed - denormalized distributed database - Mandelbulb discussion - - LISP Admin - talks - we need a group - what do you want to hear - you can do it yourself too, if you want to learn real quick - Do you have a talk to give - projects? - Early talk announcement - Venue - Early Announcement - Reimplementations or analysis - mailinglist

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[toronto-lisp] Dec 01 Meeting
by Mark Bolusmjak 01 Dec '09

01 Dec '09

Can't make it to tonight's meeting. Got back from vacation yesterday & catching up with work, life, etc. Hope to see you all in January. Cheers. -mark

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[toronto-lisp] meeting Dec. 1
by Paul Tarvydas 01 Dec '09

01 Dec '09

Tomorrow is the monthly meeting at LinuxCafe. Does anyone have a presentation? pt

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[toronto-lisp] CL Books
by David Penton 21 Nov '09

21 Nov '09

At the last meeting I recommended Seibel's Practical Common Lisp. I should qualify that recommendation. I am now augmenting my study by going methodically through Graham's ANSI Common Lisp. Doing the exercises has been invaluable to me. So, I would recommend Graham's book for those who are beginning with CL. However, had I only used Graham's book I may have become bored with the simple examples, since I am not a beginner at programming generally. I also have the books listed below, either in hardcopy or digital form. Should I also consider looking at The Little Schemer and related works? What about Doug Hoyte's book? I recognize that a surfeit of textbooks does not guaranty progress. Rest assured that I am actually programming in CL too. Basic Lisp Techniques (Cooper) Common Lisp An Interactive Approach (Shapiro) Common Lisp A Gentle Approach to Symbolic Computation (Touretzky) On Lisp (Graham) Successful Lisp (Lamkins) Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs Lisp in Small Pieces (Queinnec) The Art of the Metaobject Protocol (Kiczales et al) - Dave -

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[toronto-lisp] pretty printing
by David Penton 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

I am baffled (or dense). I cannot get pprint to do what I think it should in any of openmcl, sbcl, or LW. An example given in the ANSI spec/Hyperspec under *print-pretty* is: (let ((*print-pretty* t)) (progn (write '(let ((a 1) (b 2) (c 3)) (+ a b c))) nil)) >> (LET ((A 1) >> (B 2) >> (C 3)) >> (+ A B C)) => NIL I don't get any indentation when I type that example into any of the CL implementations listed above. The example just gets printed on one line of output, no indentation. Am I supposed to do some additional thing to get the output shown? - Dave -

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[toronto-lisp] Request for advice on learning CLOS and MOP (mostly MOP)
by David Penton 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

I have been working my way through Seibel's Practical Common Lisp. In one of the chapters (ch.24) Seibel illustrates keeping track of the inherited slots of a class by tucking the information away in a symbol plist. This immediately made me wonder why he did not use something built in to the object system to query a class about itself. Thus I came to investigate MOP stuff, which I believe does provide for the functionality needed in Seibel's example. (I used MOP fns CLASS-SLOTS and CLASS-DIRECT-SLOTS to do the job.) I am considering ordering the book The Art of the MetaObject Protocol by Kiczales et al. However, I wonder if that is really the book I want. I am not so much interested in how it is all implemented as I am in learning about fairly pragmatic reflection functionality. Is anyone familiar with this book? Is it mostly about implementing CLOS? Is there a better resource for learning to use MOP functionality at a basic level? thx - Dave -

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[toronto-lisp] OT: clojure -> DLL hell -> help needed
by Paul Tarvydas 12 Nov '09

12 Nov '09

After playing around with clojure, I found that one of my purchased apps no longer works. The vendor is clueless, so I'm going to have to suss this out myself. The error message is exactly like the one in this post: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t94058.html but I don't understand what they're talking about (I obviously don't understand the Java nor Eclipse environments) nor how to solve the problem. If anyone can help, email me directly (unless you think the rest of the mailing list would be interested :-). Thanks. pt

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[toronto-lisp] graham's seminal paper
by Paul Tarvydas 10 Nov '09

10 Nov '09

What is the title of Paul Graham's seminal paper about Lisp and his success? Is it "Beating the Averages"? He has a zillion papers listed on his site, and now viewing the list, I'm not sure. Hey, you guessed it - I'm having one of those "defend the use of lisp" moments. Sigh. thanx pt

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[toronto-lisp] A Not Strictly Lisp Question
by David Penton 09 Nov '09

09 Nov '09

Or maybe, to be frank, perhaps not a lisp question at all. So delete this if you are busy. However...from the two meetings of the Toronto lisp group I have attended, I gather that several of you do web development, or related stuff. So some of you are probably knowledgeable in areas that are a mystery to me. I made it CASCON today and enjoyed the session on "Practical Ontology Infrastructure". Of course, this topic has plenty of connections to things that may interest the lisp community. But that topic is not the source of my questions, or rather my bafflement. Over the past ten years I have often been utterly flummoxed and not a little annoyed when I try to grasp what is going on in the "business world" of computing. At CASCON this week many of the sessions were about SOA (Service Oriented Architecture). The notion of SOA came to my attention some time ago, but although I looked it up on wikipedia and even read some commercial blurbs on it, I still have no damned idea what they are talking about. I enjoy learning things that seem like "computer science." But I cannot for the life of me penetrate this combined computing and business stuff. From my limited, jaded, and admittedly dated perspective, it seems we are subjected to a never-ending succession of questionable panaceas, cooked up - maybe - by marketing people. The ones that are about computing over the internet seem particularly offensively squishy to me. Would anybody be willing to fill me in, perhaps not on the mailing list if it is too off-topic? LIke, as I struggle to learn lisp and such, should I really pay attention to "software as a service", "service oriented architecture", and so on ad infinitum? Or should I just grow old and die of gum disease and varicose veins. F**k. - Dave -

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[toronto-lisp] Japanese Lisp Manga
by Rudolf Olah 09 Nov '09

09 Nov '09

http://lambda.bugyo.tk/cdr/mwl/ It's awesome. Looks great, no idea what the words mean, but the code snippets look nice and easy :-D -Rudolf

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[toronto-lisp] Link: Array languages for Lisp programmers
by Abram Hindle 07 Nov '09

07 Nov '09

http://www.vector.org.uk/?vol=24&no=2&art=blazeski A comparison of J and Q and lisp and how you do J and Q things in lisp. Also a comparison of functional snippets versus the loop macro. abram

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[toronto-lisp] Some notes about this meeting
by Abram Hindle 04 Nov '09

04 Nov '09

* Lisp Meet - Java Dissambly - 11 people - SISC used for webapps - weblocks for CL - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-weblocks/ - used tomcat to run SISC scripts - composure in clojure (web framework) - Doug Explains antiweb - explains pre-forking - antiweb pools processes - processes can have more than 1 connection - goal: reliability - process oriented - hub - route msgs - logger - priveledged port listening and transfering - etc. - transfer connections to other processes - send filehandle over a socket - domain sockets - scmwrites - sendmsg manpage - doesn't proxy like ngix - serves static content - runs lisp for dynamic content - claims it is easy to setup - db layer to be done - bdb - transactions - for admins - awp files - like php - caches - lisp forms - (page ...) - compiled - post handler and get handler do dynamic content.. - build http response - give it headers etc. - cared about # of syscalls that responsed - vish asked how to scale up to multiple installations - not quite there yet - ngix to dispatch to antiweb if you want it - supervisor processes - - weblocks build script broken - let over lambda discussion - closures & OO - macros - free vars - var capture - duality of syntax - read macros - hooks into the textual processor - how to read strings in differently - not in scheme - double quote is a read macro - paren is a read macro - clojure against read macros - perl vs lisp - like sourcefilter but more reliable - plt blog - camlp4 in ocaml http://www.ocaml-tutorial.org/camlp4_3.10/foreach_tutorial - closures & macros - pandora's macros - like tcl's uplevel - lexical scope, open it up - alambda binds self - effeciency - get close to metal - smart array making - sorting network - selection networks - forth - threads as cons - forth review - there's compiler macros in chap7 - precompute format strings - precomputation - keyword macro - scheme - small scheme - big scheme - r6rs - new scheme plans - continuations - gambit has serializable continuations - business processes are boring - paul grahm and continuations (on lisp) w/ closures - dangers of crypto & sending the user their state - web programming - ruby/python - large community - community support - base64 as an example of why you want libs - iron scheme & common larceny - r6rs compatible? - common larceny does - libraries - antiweb - CFFI - http://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/ - gambit scheme - iphone app - embed C inside - apple hates freedom - abram trolls the entire group about software freedoms - sorry XD - vish talks about C# and tools - F# ! - some stuff I forget - william gibson and CL - greg wilson talk at DEV days - toronto news - accordian guy - uot events - our list - tpm - trug - lugs - python users group - toronto perl mongers -

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[toronto-lisp] Java Disassembling [discussed at meeting]
by Abram Hindle 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

http://jode.sourceforge.net/ http://jreversepro.blogspot.com/ http://www.program-transformation.org/Transform/JavaDecompilers#Decompiler_… abram

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[toronto-lisp] Next meetup, Tuesday November 3rd?
by Rudolf Olah 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

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[toronto-lisp] More Sexprs versus XML links
by Abram Hindle 02 Nov '09

02 Nov '09

http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/xml-or-s-expressions/ and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?XmlIsaPoorCopyOfEssExpressions More on S-expres http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EssExpressions abram

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