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[admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project
by Heow Eide-Goodman 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

Hi there, LispNYC.org has created a free self-booting Lisp Education CD which contains: * 3 complete Lisp Deveopment Systems * 3 full length books * numbers of tutorials, references, etc. ...all in a single integrated environment. It debuted at Linux World Expo with almost 100 CDs given out to interested individuals. Someone enjoyed it so much, they came back the next day to give LispNYC.org a $20 donation! Anyway, the problem is that LispNYC is running on DSL and cannot host an ISO, which is why I'd like to include it on common-lisp.net. We expect anywhere between 2 and 10 downloads per week (currently a steady 3 requests per week) and I'd also be setting up a mailing list etc. But due to the fact that there exists within the CD: * copyrighted software (Allegro CL and LispWorks) * copyrighted work (Successful Lisp, OnLisp) and the fact that various authors specifically request that: * they retain copyright to their work * it not enter the 'public domain' * the CD remain free of charge ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works falling under a more lenient license. Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. We, of course, have explicit permission from every author to distribute the content found on the CD, which was no small task. :-) Thanks, - Heow

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[admin] Arch
by Yurii A. Rashkovskii 06 May '04

06 May '04

By the way, how could I use Arch on common-lisp.net? Regards, Yurii.

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Re: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project
by Heow Eide-Goodman 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Nikodemus, Erik, and Mario, Everyone brought up a good point regarding the legalities of the distribution, I'll actually refer this to my legal guy but I don't see this as a problem. For instance, if someone copied the ISO and put it on Common-Lisp.net, that would clearly be a violation. However, this is a living breathing project that is currently well over a year old now. We have many plans and directons to take the CD which means that it's not something I'm going to drop it on your site then forget about. I'll be needing to update the documentation, web-page and ISO image anywhere between a bi-weekly to monthly basis. I'd also like to count the downloads and keep in touch with users via mailing lists etc. With that much artistic control at my disposal, the relationship between myself/LispNYC and Common-Lisp.net becomes one of collaberation and resource sharing rather than Common-Lisp.net simply 'distributing' it. I've attached the CD license for your pleasure, if there is anything that concerns you about it I'd be happy to modify it. ...for instance I can think of adding Common-Lisp.net (or a similiar clause) falling under the umbrella of liability. FYI, although the license sounds like it expects the world to end, it is a standard format for things like compliations. Also the CD is based on the STABLE version of Knoppix. Interesting enough, both Nils Magnus and Klaus Knopper attended LinuxWorld AND the MuSIG group of LispNYC (yes, they are Lisp fans and musicians) where we talked shop, swapped pointers and doused my fears of a live CD actually breaking hardware. Thanks, - Heow

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[admin] (no subject)
by Erik Enge 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

> Any news on that one? Done (sorry for the massive delay). You should have an email with your password. Erik.

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[admin] (no subject)
by Erik Enge 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Brian Mastenbrook wrote: > I'd like the name of the list to be "mac-lisp-ide" because that is > already what it is named. Done, you should have an email by now with your password. Erik.

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[admin] (addendum) mailing list redux
by Brian Mastenbrook 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

I notice that on the admin mailing list there was a question about the name of the list I wanted. I never received this email :-) I'd like the name of the list to be "mac-lisp-ide" because that is already what it is named. -- Brian Mastenbrook bmastenb(a)cs.indiana.edu http://cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/

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[admin] mailing list redux
by Brian Mastenbrook 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Hi there, Since I got no response from cl.net regarding the mailing list I wanted to run, I started it myself on my own server. Well lo and behold my nameserver seems to be unreliable and I'm 200 miles away, and it's majorly frustrating efforts to run the list. Can cl.net consider picking up the hosting? I'd like it sooner than a week from now if possible as there is already active traffic that needs to be moved over. Brian -- Brian Mastenbrook bmastenb(a)cs.indiana.edu http://cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/

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[admin] (no subject)
by Erik Enge 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

[ apologize if this arrives multiple times, having some mail problems ] Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in > without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different > license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works > falling under a more lenient license. > > Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. > We, of course, have explicit permission from every author to distribute > the content found on the CD, which was no small task. :-) To be explicit: you're wanting us to put the CD on common-lisp.net available for download (sounds great) but only you, the ALU or LispNYC.org can legally distribute it? I don't see how common-lisp.net could legally distribute it in that case? If we can legally distribute it I approve too. Erik.

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Re: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project
by Erik Enge 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in > without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different > license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works > falling under a more lenient license. > > Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. > We, of course, have explicit permission from every author to distribute > the content found on the CD, which was no small task. :-) To be explicit: you're wanting us to put the CD on common-lisp.net available for download (sounds great) but only you, the ALU or LispNYC.org can legally distribute it? I don't see how common-lisp.net could legally distribute it in that case? Erik.

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Re: [admin] project hosting
by Tomek Lipski 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Mario wrote: >> P.S. I still dont have name for the project - cl-mvc doesn't sound too >> good for me... > > Hm... Well, that's an issue, of course :) Finally I managed to came up with a name - Ganelon - sounds fine ? Best regards, Tomek Lipski

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