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Re: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting]
by Marc Battyani 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

From: "Nikodemus Siivola" <nikodemus(a)random-state.net> writes: > Oops. Accidentally sent this just to the admin-list. I noticed it was a mailing list only at the third email... > > But I could at least add a project page if you want. > > Nah. I don't see much point in putting up a project page when the > project is elsewhere. OK, tell me when you have reached a consensus on the subject ;-) > > I've seen this but it's what I have done with mod_lisp and cl-pdf and the > > users/contributors ratio is a fairly good approximation of 0. :( > > Er. I see the tarballs, yes. But no CVS (or other) repositories. The > difference is really a big one. > > People who are likely to help want the bleeding edge: if it's broken > they can try to fix it. If it works fine (like releases tend to) > they'll just use it -- and don't touch the source until there's > something they want from it. What I am looking for is not really fixer but contributors. > Also, it's nice to know that what you have is a good approximation of > what the author has. > > > Releasing software takes time, you get lots of emails asking for support, > > etc... And time is the resource I'm missing the most! So I prefer to work on > > cl-typesetting to release it only when it's usable by an average user. > > So it's not that I'm against releasing it it's just that I don't think the > > advantages would be so great. > > The point is that anonCVS / whatever is not the same as a release. > > People who tracks CVS don't generally expect the same level of support > as people who use released. And when they do, they should be told that > things don't work like that. ;-) > > Tarball = for users > Repository = for developers Good point. BTW I've never given CVS access to others. Is there a mechanism to accept/reject the changes. > > BTW I'm ok to discuss this on a suitable place if c.l.l is not the good one. > > (or by email) > > Clump might be a fertile place to get people's views on this > release/devel-access dichtomy. Better signal to noise ratio. Ok I will probably put the debate there... I agree that in c.l.l the signal is almost lost in the noise. Where are the lispniks who write code instead of just talking ? I also posted to lispweb but it's almost empty. Marc

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Re: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
by Erik Enge 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

"Marc Battyani" <marc.battyani(a)fractalconcept.com> writes: > I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp, > cl-pdf and cl-typesetting. Can I do this on common-lisp.net ? Can we call it 'mod-lisp' instead? We use Unix groups to enforce permissions and the group name is the same as the project name. Erik.

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Re: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
by Erik Enge 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

"Marc Battyani" <marc.battyani(a)fractalconcept.com> writes: > I received several suggestions to setup mailling lists for mod_lisp, > cl-pdf and cl-typesetting. Can I do this on common-lisp.net ? I must admit to being a little hesitant to allow just mailinglists. Perhaps if you tell me what your reasons for not going with our CVS setup are I'm can fix whatever problems there might be. What's nice about common-lisp.net and sourceforge etc. is how it's very uniform in the way you locate a projects webpage, cvs, ftp, etc. I really want to try to hang on to this uniformity. That said, if you start out with full projects but only use the mailinglists and have a webpage that describes your projects briefly and give links to where to find the files etc. I think I can go with that because I'm willing to bet that when you do get contributors (I'm really eager to take a look at cl-pdf once I have a few hours of spare time) and they start sending patches you'll probably figure it's easier to use the CVS trees at clnet and add them as members there instead of giving out users/passwords on your own servers. Ok, I approve, then. I'll create the projects. Can you send me your GPG/PGP public key so I can encrypt your password when I send it to you? Erik.

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Re: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
by Marc Battyani 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Nikodemus Siivola wrote: > CL-PDF is under BSD-style license, and mod_lisp under Apache License, >right? No mod_lisp is also under a BSD style licence > For them at least, I definitely approve. > > I'm under the impression that you're not distributing the source to > cl-typesetting yet: this makes hosting a mailing list for it at > Common-lisp.net slightly controversial. However, since I think there > is a clear intent to release it, I approve. Hum... If you are Open Source only for mailing lists you should say so. > By the by, are you *sure* you want just mailing lists, and not full > project hosting? For now yes, I prefer to play with my own servers with my own tools. But I could at least add a project page if you want. > The point made by some folks on cll is quite true: giving people early > access to source is much likelier to bring contributors -- especially > giving them CVS/SVN/Arch access as opposed to just tarballs. I've seen this but it's what I have done with mod_lisp and cl-pdf and the users/contributors ratio is a fairly good approximation of 0. :( Releasing software takes time, you get lots of emails asking for support, etc... And time is the resource I'm missing the most! So I prefer to work on cl-typesetting to release it only when it's usable by an average user. So it's not that I'm against releasing it it's just that I don't think the advantages would be so great. BTW I'm ok to discuss this on a suitable place if c.l.l is not the good one. (or by email) Cheers, Marc BTW my reply to Nikodemus bounced: A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: nikodemus at random-state.net SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<nikodemus at random-state.net>: host eforward2.name-services.com [216.52.184.242]: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for nikodemus at random-state.net

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Re: [admin] mailing lists for mod_lisp, cl-pdf and cl-typesetting
by Erik Enge 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Nikodemus Siivola <nikodemus(a)random-state.net> writes: > Erik, even though I can easily see how project mailing lists could be > viewed more naturally aspart of project hosting than mailing list > hosting, our stated services include "Mailing lists for Common Lisp > related topics." ;-) It's about discoverability too. I want to see cl-pdf et al on the projects.shtml listing so it's easy to find them. Having only the mailinglists woudld kindof hide the projects and make them harder to find. Erik.

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[admin] Re: cvs2.cons.org is down?
by Mario Mommer 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

Martin Cracauer <cracauer(a)cons.org> writes: > I have a nightly synced copy of the repository, the backup procedures > I installed after the WindRiver incidinct should leave us without any > loss. > > Solutions, please state your preference: > > 1) I cannot give out user accounts on the German machine I share with > friends. But I could commit diffs that people send to me if this > is a temporary workaround and make the CVS repository available. > > 2) If we need a more permanent solution I could set up a machine where > I can give out user accounts, I would have several options. > > Opinions? We (common-lisp.net) can provide temporary (or definitive, if you want) hosting for the cmucl CVS tree at common-lisp.net. Features? Well, disk space, daily backups, developer accounts, cool domain name, site run by nice people... Did I leave something out? :) What do you think? Regards, Mario.

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[admin] new project requests
by Rahul Jain 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

I'd like to host my projects on common-lisp.org. Their names are as follows: DefDoc DefMUD Define-Window-Manager DefPlayer DefEditor Thanks, -- Rahul Jain rjain(a)nyct.net

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[admin] added defeditor; owned by rjain
by root 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.30.

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[admin] added defplayer; owned by rjain
by root 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.28.

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[admin] added defwm; owned by rjain
by root 07 Dec '03

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Add successful at 2003.12.07.16.27.

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