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On the Bear turning to Java 11
by Mark Evenson 16 Nov '19

16 Nov '19

As the leaves fall in the Northern hemisphere, thoughts of the Bear turn to a rumored permanent slumber, and a complete absence of the possibility of new updates. The Bear [accepts][trac] [all][gitab] patches][github], so if you don't like the current implementation, please get out and push. Or pull? Or fast forward? The Bear is seemingly always confused with Git… As previously rumored, [patches for getting the Armed Bear Common Lisp implementation running on Java 11][github-with-java11] have landed in the [trunk][trunk-with-java11]. Unless anyone objects strongly, we will release [ABCL 1.6.0][abcl-1.6.0] as soon as possible with the intention to support the openjdk{6,7,8,11} runtimes. After stabilizing the 1.6 branch with the inevitable necessary and unknown updates, we can turn our attention to the [2.0 branch][abcl-2.0.0] which will introduce support for additional runtimes but drop support for emitting openjdk6 or openjdk7 compatible byte-code. As always, everyone's desires are welcome to be expressed. yers in CONS, Mark <evenson.not.org(a)gmail.com> [trunk-with-java11]: https://abcl.org/trac/changeset/15133 [github-with-java11]: https://github.com/armedbear/abcl/commit/a628e961a1dc33e1f225191a19494701d7… [github]: https://github.com/armedbear/abcl/ [trac]: https://abcl.org/trac/ [gitlab]: https://common-lisp.net/abcl/abcl/ [svn]: svn://abcl.org/svn/ [mailing-list]: <mailto:armedbear-devel@common-lisp.net> [abcl-1.6.0]: https://abcl.org/trac/milestone/1.6.0 [abcl-2.0.0]: https://abcl.org/trac/milestone/2.0.0 -- "A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before but there is nothing to compare to it now."

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Moving the Bear past Java 11
by Mark Evenson 14 Nov '19

14 Nov '19

As the leaves fall in the Northern hemisphere, thoughts of the Bear turn to a rumored permanent slumber, and a complete absence of the possibility of new updates. The Bear [accepts][trac] [all][gitab] patches][github], so if you don't like the current implementation, please get out and push. Or pull? Or fast forward? The Bear is seemingly always confused with Git… As previously rumored, [patches for getting the Armed Bear Common Lisp implementation running on Java 11][github-with-java11] have landed in the [trunk][trunk-with-java11]. Unless anyone objects strongly, we will release [ABCL 1.6.0][abcl-1.6.0] as soon as possible with the intention to support the openjdk{6,7,8,11} runtimes. After stabilizing the 1.6 branch with the inevitable necessary and unknown updates, we can turn our attention to the [2.0 branch][abcl-2.0.0] which will introduce support for additional runtimes but drop support for emitting openjdk6 or openjdk7 compatible byte-code. As always, everyone's desires are welcome to be expressed. yers in CONS, Mark <evenson.not.org(a)gmail.com> [trunk-with-java11]: https://abcl.org/trac/changeset/15133 [github-with-java11]: https://github.com/armedbear/abcl/commit/a628e961a1dc33e1f225191a19494701d7… [github]: https://github.com/armedbear/abcl/ [trac]: https://abcl.org/trac/ [gitlab]: https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/abcl/abcl/ [svn]: svn://abcl.org/svn/ [mailing-list]: <mailto:armedbear-devel@common-lisp.net> [abcl-1.6.0]: https://abcl.org/trac/milestone/1.6.0 [abcl-2.0.0]: https://abcl.org/trac/milestone/2.0.0 -- "No, this is not a disentanglement, but a progressive /knotting-into/."

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Directory handling
by Marco Antoniotti 13 Jun '19

13 Jun '19

Dear all, I have been looking at the ABCL manual and packages and I was not able (my fault!) to find functions like CURRENT-DIRECTORY and/or CHANGE-DIRECTORY (or CHDIR). Could you tell me how to get to this functionality? Also, what is the set of features that ABCL uses to identify the platform? On a Mac OSX I see (at a minimum): CL-USER> (dolist (f *features*) (print f)) :SWANK :X86-64 :UNIX :DARWIN :ARMEDBEAR :ABCL :COMMON-LISP :ANSI-CL :CDR6 :MOP :PACKAGE-LOCAL-NICKNAMES NIL Thanks -- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY Please check: http://cdac2019.lakecomoschool.org Please check: http://troncopackage.org Please check: https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/7394/network-bioscience Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. Please do not forward this email without asking me first (cum grano salis).

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Repositories of ABCL-specific code? / Kill runaway ABCL function and return to REPL?
by Elliott, Clark 12 Jun '19

12 Jun '19

Dear ABCL experts, I am working on AI system development in LISP. I like using ABCL because of its easy portability to Windows, Mac, and Linux and its direct access to Java. I am running ABCL in emacs shells, often as several processes at once, communicating via sockets. The LISP is working very well indeed. Great job! I've slogged through getting things like sockets and threads running--mostly using apropos and guessing--but it takes a lot of time. I STRONGLY prefer to work from examples of running code. I would dearly love some tips on the following: 1. Are there repositories of ABCL-specific running code, small programs, utility applications and etc. showing the actual running of ABCL implementation-specific functions? Native ABCL networking? ABCL tricks? Examples of running programs using the native threads? Examples of small systems using Java-to-LISP and LISP-to-Java (beyond the given short examples)? 2. How can I stop a runaway ABCL LISP function and return to top-level LISP without having to blow away the emacs buffer, and thus my entire current LISP context? In other LISPs I've had some kind of control key sequence, but can't find one for ABCL. E.g.: (defun runaway () (let ((n 0)) (loop while (< (incf n) 10) ;; Pretend this ran away. How do I kill it in ABCL REPL? do (sleep 1)))) Thanks in advance for any help. Best, Clark

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Running Lisp tests
by Alessio Stalla 12 Jun '19

12 Jun '19

Greetings, I have trouble running ABCL's Lisp test suites: $ ant abcl.test ...lots of output... [java] Caught :ASDF/FIND-COMPONENT:MISSING-DEPENDENCY while processing --eval option "(asdf:test-system :abcl/test/ansi/compiled)": [java] #<MISSING-DEPENDENCY {1337E679}> [java] Java Result: 2 ...etc... Do you have any idea? Thanks Alessio

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Re: ABCL functionality
by Marco Antoniotti 07 Jun '19

07 Jun '19

Thanks Elliott, but no. These are REPL conveniences. How is the “cd” command implemented? I know I should dig in the ABCL code, but I am one of the laziest lispers around :) :) :) All the best Marco > On Jun 6, 2019, at 04:28 , Elliott, Clark <elliott(a)depaul.edu> wrote: > > Hi Marco, > > I’m not sure if this is what you are looking for, but it took me a long time to find these interactive commands: > > CL-USER(6): :help > > COMMAND ABBR DESCRIPTION > apropos ap apropos > bt backtrace n stack frames (default 8) > cd change default directory > cf compile file(s) > cload cl compile and load file(s) > continue cont invoke restart n > describe de describe an object > error err print the current error message > exit ex exit lisp > frame fr set the value of cl:* to be frame n (default 0) > help he print this help > inspect in inspect an object > istep i navigate within inspection of an object > ld load a file > ls list directory > macroexpand ma macroexpand an expression > package pa change *PACKAGE* > pwd pw print current directory > reset res return to top level > rq require a module > trace tr trace function(s) > untrace untr untrace function(s) > > Commands must be prefixed by the command character, which is ':' by default. > > Best, > > Clark Elliott -- Marco Antoniotti, Associate Professor tel. +39 - 02 64 48 79 01 DISCo, Università Milano Bicocca U14 2043 http://bimib.disco.unimib.it Viale Sarca 336 I-20126 Milan (MI) ITALY Please check: http://cdac2019.lakecomoschool.org Please check: http://troncopackage.org Please check: https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/7394/network-bioscience Please note that I am not checking my Spam-box anymore. Please do not forward this email without asking me first (cum grano salis).

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ABCL starting to work under Java11
by Mark Evenson 11 Apr '19

11 Apr '19

It turns out that if we pretend that Java 9 and Java 10 never existed, we can run a lightly modified version of [ABCL on Java11][11]. Once I get something stable, that mostly works across both openjdk8 and openjdk11, I think I would like to fork an abcl-2.0.0 while maintaining support for openjdk[678] via the abcl-1.m.n series, Our CL:PATHNAME stuff needs to be adapted because Java11 stops referring to classes in `jar:file` location in favor of a synthetic reference to a `jrt:` path, but I think I may be able to easuly paper over this problem by tightening the isomorphism between a URI and the namestrings for ABCL’s implementation. [11]: https://github.com/armedbear/abcl/pull/96 Surprisingly, the compiler seems to work fine, so the implementation is certainly not intolerably slow under Java 11. JSS certainly does not work but the ABCL-CONTRIB works for implementations with access to a filesystem on which CL:DIRECTORY can work. This patch reworks ABCL-CONTRIB strategy to introspect the value of the the Java system property "java.class.path". This may not be sufficient to find the contribs under all possible ways that the implementation may be hosted. To provide some background to the issues here, ABCL-CONTRIB is deliberately packaged separately from the contents of abcl.jar in order to: • Keep the base ANSI implementation plus the included ASDF version in a single artifact with no other dependencies. • Push the decision to potentially infringe on licenses explicitly to the user. The knowledgable User may use the build-time option for the inclusion of code in system.lisp and the AIO packaging mechanism to create an unified "All-in-one" artifact. Since ASDF is always included as part of the base abcl.jar, we may rely on its presence to find additional artifacts to add as additional code to abcl, aka. "the abcl contribs". Currently, this is achieved by the following strategies, tried sequentially until one is found to be successful: • Introspecting for an implementation of "org.abcl-contrib" as declared in the system jar manifest. • Attempting to locate a jar file named abcl-contrib{MUMBLE}.jar on the filesystem by searching directories referenced on the class path. • Replacing the occurance of 'abcl' with 'abcl-contrib' in the the name of the system jar pathname, and then introspecting the contents. It would probably be helpful to add the following strategies to find members of ABCL-CONTRIB: • Locating an abcl-contrib.asd artifact via the usual ASDF conventions. • Retrieving the contents of ABCL-CONTRIB from the network via a "cool URI". • (Java 11) Appropiate use of Java modules to describe graphs of loadable ABCL artifacts. -- "A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before but there is nothing to compare to it now."

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Re: problems in compiler
by Mark Evenson 30 Mar '19

30 Mar '19

[Posting reply to mailing list so our conversation gets archived for posterity.] > On Mar 30, 2019, at 05:10, Don Cohen <don-abcl(a)isis.cs3-inc.com> wrote: > > Mark Evenson writes: > >> It took a little while to approach the AP5 code, but I managed to >> hack together the attached patch for ABCL which allows the AP5 >> build strategy to succeed. […] >> The attached patch contains a provisional hack to the ABCL compiler >> which computes the alist form from the vector form rather than >> signalling an error, so in order to use ABCL with AP5, you will >> have to build ABCL from source. > > Thank you! > > But is there any reason it won't suffice to simply redefine this > function in a running image before compiling? Patching the compiler in the running image will work just fine. >> To truly fix this one would have to understand the AP5 compilation >> strategy better, and then probably adjust the compiler's use of >> specials. > > I think I understand the compilation strategy - it's not that > complicated. But I don't see what that has to do with this > problem. The patch suggests that the real question is how > *fasl-uninterned-symbols* got to be a vector in the first place. > Would it help if I avoided uninterned symbols? Replace calls to > gensym with gentemp? The reason I suspect AP5’s "compilation strategy” (more like “need for recompiling and loading as it goes”) is twofold: 1) In my attempt at reproduction of the problem, I encountered no problems with a toy fasl containing references to uninterned symbols with any combination of CL:LOAD and CL:COMPILE-FILE. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and all that, but the ABCL compiler works with many systems in Quicklisp defined using ASDF without problems. 2) From the stack trace, it seems clear that the error stems from the compiler being invoked (see ’59:’ ff.) in the process of the loading the fasl itself (’70:’ ff.): […] 57: (JVM::SERIALIZE-OBJECT (#:A77910 #:A77911)) 58: (JVM::EMIT-CONSTRUCTOR-LAMBDA-LIST (#:A77910 #:A77911)) 59: (COMPILE AP5::|Test-RELADDER| (LAMBDA (#:A77910 #:A77911) (AP5:WITHREADACCESS (LET ((#:G77912 #:A77910) (#:G77913 #:A77911)) (LET ((AP5::CXVALUE (AP5::VALUEINCURRENTCX (AP5:THEAP5RELATION AP5:RELADDER) #:G77912 #:G77913))) (COND ((NOT (EQ AP5::CXVALUE 'AP5::INHERIT)) AP5::CXVALUE) (T (NOT (NOT ((LAMBDA (AP5::REL &REST AP5::TUPLE) (AP5::FMEMB3 AP5::TUPLE (AP5::GETBASEDATA AP5::REL) )))))))))))) […] 64: (AP5::NEED-TESTER ) 65: (AP5::GET-UPDATE-SOURCE T ) 66: (AP5::GET-UPDATE T ) 67: (#<COMPILED-FUNCTION #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA ()) {6992BE4}> {6992BE4}>) 68: (FUNCALL #<COMPILED-FUNCTION #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA ()) {6992BE4}> {6992BE4}>) 69: (SYSTEM:INIT-FASL :VERSION 43) 70: (SYSTEM::%LOAD #P"/Users/evenson/work/ap5/bin-abcl1.5.0-MT/relation.fas" T NIL T :DEFAULT) 71: (LOAD #P"/Users/evenson/work/ap5/bin-abcl1.5.0-MT/relation.fas”) ABCL fasls are zip files that contain two things: a loader consisting of CL source forms, and JVM classes emitted by the compiler. In loading, the loader forms are interpreted which make the necessary modifications to the environment as well as loading the compiled JVM classes. Each JVM class emitted by the compiler has a piece of initialization code (known in the JVM as static initializers) which performs additional housekeeping in the environment. In the above stack trace, the INIT-FASL call at ’69:’ is evaluating the forms in the loader. The loading of the JVM class which is causing the stack trace which seemingly corresponds to the error is on line 392 of “relation.lsp”, namely the line which adds a tester: (++ RelTester 'StructProp ‘StructPropTester) But I can’t “seemingly" figure out how this line expands into the call to AP5::GETUPDATE, so maybe my reasoning is somehow faulty here, but I at least wanted to record how far I have gotten. The only strategy I can currently suggest for AP5 which might be friendlier to ABCL is to not invoke CL:COMPILE at fasl load time if this is indeed what is occuring. Maybe I can craft a simple example to test that theory. Off to pack and travel to the European Lisp Symposium, Mark -- "A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before but there is nothing to compare to it now."

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problems in compiler
by don-abcl＠isis.cs3-inc.com 29 Mar '19

29 Mar '19

--text follows this line-- The version of ap5 from 2009 supposedly was able to build in the abcl of that time. I'm now trying to make a more recent ap5 (but not very much changed) build in current abcl. I've put the current source at http://ap5.com/ under ap5-2019.zip so that others who are willing to help can reproduce the problem. Unfortunately I don't have a small example, only a large one. If you retrieve and unzip the source, you'll find a file abcl-build.lsp which I'm trying to get to build ap5. In order to use it you have to change this line: (defvar *top* "/tmp1/ap5-2017/") to be the directory where you've put the ap5 source subdirectory. That is, the file /whatever/source/abcl-build.lsp should contain (defvar *top* "/whatever/") I then do the following: java -jar abcl-bin-1.5.0/abcl.jar then load that file - in my case (load "/tmp1/ap5-2017/source/abcl-build.lisp") This ends with the following error: Error loading /home/tmp1/ap5-2017/bin-abcl1.5.0-MT/relation.fas at line 210 (offset 12978) #<THREAD "interpreter" {5E5D5718}>: Debugger invoked on condition of type TYPE-ERROR The value #(#:A63056 #:G63088 #:A63337 #:A63338 #:A63324 #:A63325 #:G63450 #:G63451 #:A63559 #:A63560 #:A63546 #:A63547 #:G63674 #:G63675 #:A63797 #:A63798 #:G63898 #:G63899 #:A64007 #:A64008 #:G64039 #:G64040 #:A64134 #:G64160 #:G64256 #:G64356 #:G64357 #:G64454 #:A64602 #:G64628 #:WHOLE-65572 #:ENVIRONMENT-65573) is not of type LIST. Restarts: 0: TOP-LEVEL Return to top level. [1] AP5(2): :bt 0: (SYSTEM:BACKTRACE) 1: (INVOKE-DEBUGGER #<TYPE-ERROR {16575712}>) 2: org.armedbear.lisp.Lisp.error(Lisp.java:382) 3: org.armedbear.lisp.Lisp.type_error(Lisp.java:435) 4: org.armedbear.lisp.LispObject.car(LispObject.java:161) 5: org.armedbear.lisp.assql.execute(assql.java:51) 6: org.armedbear.lisp.Symbol.execute(Symbol.java:814) 7: org.armedbear.lisp.LispThread.execute(LispThread.java:832) [1] AP5(3): It's difficult for me to figure out what's causing the error since I don't know much about interpreting java compiler output. However I hope a little background and some experimental evidence will help. First, the build process loads certain files before it compiles them and then later attempts to load the compiled versions. The error is coming from trying to load the compiled version of the first of these, relations.lsp. The build process actually loads and compiles several files before it tries to load the compiled versions, but in order to reproduce the error it's enough to load relations.lsp, compile it, then try to load the compiled version. In order to figure out which form in the file was causing the problem I tried a number of initial subsets of the relations.lsp file and found that if I stop at line 836, after : (++ reldeleter (relationp 'relation) '(lambda (&rest ignore) (declare (ignore ignore)) 'deleterel)) I can - load relations.lsp (I do this in order to return to a state that does not depend on the part of the compiled file that was loaded) - compile the initial segment - load the compiled version of the initial segment without error. However if I add the next form, (defun deleterel (ignore rel) (declare (ignore ignore)) (loop for a s.t. (relationarity rel a) do (-- relationarity rel a)) (insist "supposed to delete it" not (relation rel))) the load of the compiled file generates an error similar to above: Error loading /tmp/test1.abcl at line 198 (offset 11994) #<THREAD "interpreter" {2040734F}>: Debugger invoked on condition of type TYPE-ERROR The value #(#:G292048) is not of type LIST. On the other hand, if I put the defun deleterel into a separate file, I can - load relations.lsp - compile the initial segment ending with ++ reldeleter - load the compiled version of the initial segment - compile the file containing defun deleterel - load that file without error. The fact that the error from this test contains what appears to be a vector of only one object whereas the original contains a longer vector suggests to me that the compiler is combining multiple forms into a vector, and the defun deleterel is just the first one. Of course that doesn't explain why some other code expects a list instead of a vector. I'm hoping that someone will know immediately what causes the error I'm seeing and what I can do to avoid it. This reminded me of something -- you might notice in the file relations.lsp and other files the following incantation: (buffer-break) which is defined in sys-depe.lsp: ; The purpose of buffer-break is to prevent compile-file from ; putting two forms together when the first one has to be evaluated ; before the second can successfully read, e.g., if the first defines ; relation R and the second contains something like #,(relationp R). #+(or lispworks (and lucid sparc)) (defmacro buffer-break () '(eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute) nil)) #-(or lispworks (and lucid sparc)) (defmacro buffer-break () nil) If I change the first of those forms to #+(or abcl lispworks (and lucid sparc)) I still get the same error at the same place, but I wonder whether the underlying problem is similar to the one that caused buffer-break to be invented.

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ASDF 3.3.3 is Released
by Robert Goldman 27 Mar '19

27 Mar '19

In honor of the impending 2019 European Lisp Symposium, today we release ASDF 3.3.3, the third bugfix release for the 3.3 release series. We urge implementations that are currently bundling previous versions of ASDF -- and especially those bundling 3.3.0 or 3.3.1 -- to upgrade to 3.3.3 at their earliest convenience. Immense thanks, as always, to Faré Rideau. Also thanks to the many bug reporters and patch submitters including (alphabetically): * Marius Gerbershagen * Hugo Ishimaru * Attila Lendvai * Jan Moringen * P. Neidhardt * François-René Rideau * Eric Timmons * Didier Verna * "privet-kitty" The Changelog: ``` Bug fix release: * Dependency tracking: fix bugs in handling misnamed secondary systems. We now distinguish between "syntactic" and "semantic" primariness, properly warn in case a secondary system is misnamed, yet properly recompile or avoid spurious recompilation depending on whether there or not is a conflict or redefinition. Similarly handle package-inferred-system (thanks to Eric Timmons). Better warning in a fishy case of compute-action-stamp. * UIOP: Fix loading, allow the user to specify UIOP location from which to load. * SBCL compatibility: Fix issue with deferred warnings on SBCL. * Allegro compatibility: Fix issue detecting "modern" lisp. * Genera compatibility: Fix minor issues. Not fully tested. * ECL compatibility: Bundling fixes. * Fiveam-ASDF: Added to contrib/ example system for integrating FiveAM tests with ASDF's test-op. * Miscellaneous fixes: Avoid an infinite loop parsing :perform options, quash warnings for known bad system names that won't be fixed. * Documentation: Multiple user-contributed documentation fixes. * Tests: Miscellaneous improvements. -- Francois-Rene Rideau <fare(a)tunes.org> Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:33:42 -0400 ```

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