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How to tell if we're being loaded by ASDF?
by Robert Dodier 09 Mar '20

09 Mar '20

Hi, this is a bit off the wall, but maybe there is a way to do it. A web search didn't seem to find anything about it. Is there a way to know that ASDF is loading stuff? I have this situation. A file might be loaded by ASDF or it might be loaded by hand. If it's being loaded by ASDF, then I'd like to do some stuff differently. Why might this file be loaded by hand, why not always use ASDF? Well, it's not a Lisp file, it's a Maxima file being loaded by some maxima-asdf hackery. I can't count on maxima-asdf working for anybody else so I'm expecting that people will load it by hand instead of ASDF. But if it is being loaded by ASDF, then I'd like to know that. Thanks a lot for any info, Robert Dodier

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Debian package for ASDF 3.3.4
by Robert Goldman 14 Feb '20

14 Feb '20

Is anyone still interested in building the Debian package? I'm developing mostly on Mac, and don't have the zorch required to stand up a Debian toolchain and build the package, and also I'm not trusted by the Debian project, so I don't know how to upload. I believe ASDF is all ready for Debian building if anyone has the tool support and motivation to turn the crank. There's even support for it in the Makefile. Please contact me if you are interested. Thanks, R

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ASDF 3.3.4 is now available
by Robert Goldman 14 Feb '20

14 Feb '20

In honor of Valentine's Day, and more honestly, just because it's overdue, today we release ASDF 3.3.4, the fourth bugfix release for the 3.3 release series. We urge implementations that are currently bundling previous versions of ASDF -- and especially those bundling 3.3.0 or 3.3.1 -- to upgrade to 3.3.4 at their earliest convenience. This is especially true for SBCL, for which 3.3.4 fixes a bug preventing ASDF upgrade from working smoothly. Immense thanks, as always, to Faré Rideau. Also thanks to the many bug reporters and patch submitters including (alphabetically): * Rommel Martinez * Jan Moringen * Karsten Poeck * François-René Rideau * Martin Simmons * Eric Timmons * Guillaume Le Vaillant

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Delay in 3.3.4 release
by Robert Goldman 12 Feb '20

12 Feb '20

Unfortunately, the pressures of my day job have prevented me from spending the time required to get 3.3.4 released. I now hope for this weekend. Apologies for the delay: I very much want to get this released to solve a critical issue in recent SBCL versions.

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Plans for 3.3.4
by Robert Goldman 05 Feb '20

05 Feb '20

There are two issues and three merge requests that are essentially ready to go. I will work through them as quickly as the pressures of work permit, hoping to release 3.3.4 at the end of the week. If you have time, please test, especially if you use Windows, where I am unable to run the test suite. Thanks!

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I should know this... finding INPUT-FILES
by Robert Goldman 25 Jan '20

25 Jan '20

I'm looking at the documentation for `INPUT-FILES` and `OUTPUT-FILES` and I see this: ``` (defgeneric output-files (operation component) (:documentation "Methods for this function return two values: a list of output files corresponding to this action, and a boolean indicating if they have already been subjected to relevant output translations and should not be further translated. Methods on PERFORM *must* call this function to determine where their outputs are to be located. They may rely on the order of the files to discriminate between outputs. ")) (defgeneric input-files (operation component) (:documentation "A list of input files corresponding to this action. Methods on PERFORM *must* call this function to determine where their inputs are located. They may rely on the order of the files to discriminate between inputs. ")) ``` Missing in the above is an explanation of how to tell `INPUT-FILES` whether to apply output translations or not. Is this left to the author of the relevant `PERFORM` method? Or is there something one should do when writing a `PERFORM` method or an operator definition?

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Re: ASDF dependency graph or complexity score
by Robert Goldman 11 Jan '20

11 Jan '20

What kind of dependency graph are you looking to make? Just the systems, or also the individual system components? And do you want a visible representation of this graph, or just some set of data structures? I assume the former, since you should be able to use the system components themselves to get all the dependency links. If it's the former, the easiest thing might be to use CL-DOT and write the necessary methods to create a graph. You might need to get ASDF to compute the plan for `LOAD-OP` as a way to ensure that all the required system definitions are loaded. With respect to test systems, I have usually found it best to have my systems, say "foo", have "foo/test" related systems, delegate the `test-op` for "foo" to "foo/test" using `in-order-to`, and then only "foo/test" needs to depend on the test library -- "foo" itself doesn't need it. HtH, R On 23 Dec 2019, at 19:08, Jay wrote: > Thanks. > > I will follow up with Rob later. > > Anyway, thanks for help in the past. I will liaise with Rob to figure > out > the best way forward. > > Jay > > Faré > 6:52 PM (14 minutes ago) > to me >> I guess, I will have to step up at some point. I have a tool that's >> built > with CL. I'll start small from the easier tasks and work my way up the > graph one you highlighted above. >> Then, I will be able to tackle the graph thing, as you said it's no >> easy > fit. >> > Makes sense. > >> Are the TODO you mentioned ordered in some priority list or tagged >> with > easier/medium/hard. >> > Unhappily not. Give it a look and/or give a look at the issues on > launchpad, and/or ask Robert, for guidance. Sorry I don't have time to > sort out the issues right now. > >> And the repo is still the version on gitlab right? Does Rob hang over >> at > #lisp irc? >> > Yes the repo is on gitlab, but the issues are still mostly on > launchpad. > > Robert sometimes is on IRC as rpg (or is is rpgoldman? notthatrpg?). > > —♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection&Cybernethics• > http://fare.tunes.org > "Floating point numbers are like sandpiles; every time you move one > you lose a little sand and pick up a little dirt" > — Vic Vissotsky > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:52 PM Faré <fahree(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I guess, I will have to step up at some point. I have a tool that's >> built with CL. I'll start small from the easier tasks and work my way >> up >> the graph one you highlighted above. >>> Then, I will be able to tackle the graph thing, as you said it's no >>> easy >> fit. >>> >> Makes sense. >> >>> Are the TODO you mentioned ordered in some priority list or tagged >>> with >> easier/medium/hard. >>> >> Unhappily not. Give it a look and/or give a look at the issues on >> launchpad, and/or ask Robert, for guidance. Sorry I don't have time >> to >> sort out the issues right now. >> >>> And the repo is still the version on gitlab right? Does Rob hang >>> over at >> #lisp irc? >>> >> Yes the repo is on gitlab, but the issues are still mostly on >> launchpad. >> >> Robert sometimes is on IRC as rpg (or is is rpgoldman? notthatrpg?). >> >> —♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau >> •Reflection&Cybernethics• >> http://fare.tunes.org >> "Floating point numbers are like sandpiles; every time you move one >> you lose a little sand and pick up a little dirt" >> — Vic Vissotsky >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 11:33 AM Faré <fahree(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I could not follow up in the past as I had to relocate between >>>>> cities >> (central to west coast) so that caused a lot of changes in my >> schedule. >> What is the state of the asdf contributors you mentioned last time -- >> the >> developers taking over asdf development albeit gradually. >>>>> >>>> No one has really stepped forward. It's still Robert Goldman >>>> maintaining things, while I have moved away from active maintenance >>>> and am only reviewing patches and giving advice, sometimes making >>>> small edits to documentation. >>>> >>>>> I just started working on my fairly large system again, and >>>>> recently >> had issues when I was trying to disentangle systems to avoid loading >> multiple test systems that clobber global variables. A secondary goal >> is to >> reduce unnecessary dependencies ( btw I use :class >> :package-inferred-system >> in my setup). >>>>> >>>>> Is there some asdf option that I can use to get the graph for a >>>>> given >> loaded system or some score of complexity due to linkages. I have >> been able >> to improve this over the years and the system is a more stable but >> occasionally hangs when it has to load many packages (hundreds of >> files) >> after compiler update (using SBCL primarily) >>>>> >>>> Aha. Well, it used to be that POIU could extract a dependency graph >>>> from an ASDF system, and act on it to build; but this has bitrotten >>>> a >>>> bit with the latest changes in ASDF 3.3, and POIU is not currently >>>> very stable. If you could fix it, that would be great. But beware, >>>> it's no small undertaking: you have to really get into a lot of >>>> internals to do it right, and make non-trivial changes to UIOP, >>>> likely >>>> including subtle changes to ASDF itself. >>>> >>>> —♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau >>>> •Reflection&Cybernethics• >> http://fare.tunes.org >>>> Appropriate fear keeps you alive. Excessive fear prevents the very >>>> thing >>>> it's supposed to protect: life. — Attila Lendvai >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jay >>

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Catching up...
by Robert Goldman 14 Dec '19

14 Dec '19

I have been traveling a bunch, so I have not been able to keep up with the -- very welcome -- flurry of improvements and fixes. I'll dig myself out over the next week or two and get these vetted and merged. Just wanted everyone to know I'm still functioning (a little).

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How to debug finding files
by Andreas Davour 26 Nov '19

26 Nov '19

Hi I've read the manual on how asdf finds the files to load, i.e. the asd files. But, if you want to follow along when it does that calculation, in case it goes wrong, how do you do that? I seem to remember this being posted to the list ages back, but have no way of searching that history. /andreas -- "economics is a pseudoscience; the astrology of our time" Kim Stanley Robinson

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test-op and dependencies
by Anton Vodonosov 01 Oct '19

01 Oct '19

How test-op is expected to deal with tests in dependency libraries? If my application depends on several libraries, which in turn depend on others, when a user of my application asdf system runs test-op, is it expected to only run tests of the application itself? Of my test-op implementation should explicitly load and call tests of all dependencies? I think it's better to recommend test-op implementations to run only tests of this system itself and ASDF could provide a "recursive test op", which runs tests on the whole dependency tree.

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