common-lisp.net Mailing List Services in Need of Migration
Dear All, The maintainers of common-lisp.net including these mailing lists are seeking a volunteer or volunteers to help migrate these @common-lisp.net mailing lists from the legacy host (legacy.common-lisp.net) to a relatively new Hetzner host that we have established (64GB RAM, 12 CPU threads, AMD Ryzen 5 3600 model 113, hosted at Hetzner's Helsinki-1 data center). With the increased capacity we are able to provide more self-contained services such as local CI runners which can be made available to projects (the recent revival of http://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cl-docker-images/ is an example of a project that can benefit from local runners as opposed to a far-flung network of runner machines in someone's house or in a closet at MIT etc. which may or may not be maintained consistently over the years). With help from a few individuals, notably Georgiy Tsukai, we have already migrated most other common-lisp.net services, including gitlab.common-lisp.net (that's been done almost a year now), as well as the common-lisp.net main website, the *.common-lisp.dev project sites, and others. cliki.net migration is currently being worked on by Vladmir Sedach (it's apparently affected by some recent issues with a Linux xml library, not connected with CL directly, but that clike was depending on, that Vladimir has to update cliki to work around). The major remaining task is to migrate mail services and update corresponding MX records so that incoming @common-lisp.net mail will land at the new server, to be handled for individuals by their ~/.forward (we still want to support that for folks with shell accounts on the host), as well as fanning out to these mailing lists @common.lisp.net. So if anyone with experience in such matters would be willing to spend a bit of time & attention, maybe over the holidays, to look into our mail setup and help with migration, that opportunity remains. When completed, this will allow Erik Huelsmann finally to let go of the legacy host, which some time ago lost its ability to update the OS in-place (over the years, a hodgepodge of different OS versions got cobbled together on that host by a string of different admins, to where it's no longer amenable to normal debian apt update/upgrade). So it's become a burden on Erik to keep that machine running at all. The current common-lisp.net is running on a consistent fully updated Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) and, knock wood, remains update/upgradable including its installed gitlab service stack, which we also keep updated every few weeks. Incidentally we are also running a jitsi instance on there at meet.common-lisp.net, which any of you in the community is welcome to use for CL related online meetings. Anyone interested in giving some attention to this mailing list setup, please advise. You can respond to this list, to me directly, or join IRC at libera.chat #common-lisp.net channel. And in any case, Happy Holidays and Happy Common Lisping to all! Thanks, Dave Cooper P.S. Genworks has been paying the Hetzner fees for the future host (booked as donations to the Common Lisp Foundation, about $40/month). And Erik H is still paying from his own pocket (or his company's coffers) for the legacy one, which is a VM slice of a bigger Hetzner host that he maintains (our new host is a physical machine, I believe). Anyway, at some point we do plan to enable donations and offer sponsored links again, to decouple the future viability of common-lisp.net services from the ongoing enthusiasm and solvency of any particular individual or entity (this will be done on principle, and not because I personally do not plan and hope to keep Genworks solvent and enthusiastic indefinitely into the future!). Anyway just a heads up that such donation opportunities will be upcoming as well.
[the following was mis-addressed to mailto:pro-devel@common-lisp.net which does not exist - accidental mashup of mailto:pro@common-lisp.net .. and clo-devel@...] ============ Forwarded message ============ From: David Cooper <david.cooper@genworks.com> To: "pro@common-lisp.net"<clo-devel@common-lisp.net>, "pro-devel"<pro-devel@common-lisp.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 09:52:37 -0500 Subject: common-lisp.net Mailing List Services in Need of Migration ============ Forwarded message ============ Dear All, The maintainers of common-lisp.net including these mailing lists are seeking a volunteer or volunteers to help migrate these @common-lisp.net mailing lists from the legacy host (legacy.common-lisp.net) to a relatively new Hetzner host that we have established (64GB RAM, 12 CPU threads, AMD Ryzen 5 3600 model 113, hosted at Hetzner's Helsinki-1 data center). With the increased capacity we are able to provide more self-contained services such as local CI runners which can be made available to projects (the recent revival of http://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cl-docker-images/ is an example of a project that can benefit from local runners as opposed to a far-flung network of runner machines in someone's house or in a closet at MIT etc. which may or may not be maintained consistently over the years). With help from a few individuals, notably Georgiy Tsukai, we have already migrated most other common-lisp.net services, including gitlab.common-lisp.net (that's been done almost a year now), as well as the common-lisp.net main website, the *.common-lisp.dev project sites, and others. cliki.net migration is currently being worked on by Vladmir Sedach (it's apparently affected by some recent issues with a Linux xml library, not connected with CL directly, but that clike was depending on, that Vladimir has to update cliki to work around). The major remaining task is to migrate mail services and update corresponding MX records so that incoming @common-lisp.net mail will land at the new server, to be handled for individuals by their ~/.forward (we still want to support that for folks with shell accounts on the host), as well as fanning out to these mailing lists @common.lisp.net. So if anyone with experience in such matters would be willing to spend a bit of time & attention, maybe over the holidays, to look into our mail setup and help with migration, that opportunity remains. When completed, this will allow Erik Huelsmann finally to let go of the legacy host, which some time ago lost its ability to update the OS in-place (over the years, a hodgepodge of different OS versions got cobbled together on that host by a string of different admins, to where it's no longer amenable to normal debian apt update/upgrade). So it's become a burden on Erik to keep that machine running at all. The current common-lisp.net is running on a consistent fully updated Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) and, knock wood, remains update/upgradable including its installed gitlab service stack, which we also keep updated every few weeks. Incidentally we are also running a jitsi instance on there at meet.common-lisp.net, which any of you in the community is welcome to use for CL related online meetings. Anyone interested in giving some attention to this mailing list setup, please advise. You can respond to this list, to me directly, or join IRC at libera.chat #common-lisp.net channel. And in any case, Happy Holidays and Happy Common Lisping to all! Thanks, Dave Cooper P.S. Genworks has been paying the Hetzner fees for the future host (booked as donations to the Common Lisp Foundation, about $40/month). And Erik H is still paying from his own pocket (or his company's coffers) for the legacy one, which is a VM slice of a bigger Hetzner host that he maintains (our new host is a physical machine, I believe). Anyway, at some point we do plan to enable donations and offer sponsored links again, to decouple the future viability of common-lisp.net services from the ongoing enthusiasm and solvency of any particular individual or entity (this will be done on principle, and not because I personally do not plan and hope to keep Genworks solvent and enthusiastic indefinitely into the future!). Anyway just a heads up that such donation opportunities will be upcoming as well.
---- On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 09:52:37 -0500 David Cooper < mailto:david.cooper@genworks.com > wrote ---
So if anyone with experience in such matters would be willing to spend a bit of time & > attention
Allow me to restate: "... anyone with experience and/or interest in such matters ..." If you have interest but not much experience in mail setups, don't let that stop you from volunteering. There are folks in the community ready to help you if you show good-faith effort, and there are big electric brains in the clouds these days that can help too -- so I daresay attitude is more important than specific past experience, and regardless of your experience level this will certainly be a learning opportunity.
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