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Re: [slime-devel] slime on NetBSD 3.1 with emacs22
by othyro＠freeshell.org 16 Jul '07

16 Jul '07

On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 11:00:27AM -0500, Patrick X wrote: > Nice, forgive my ignorance but how did who capture the output of the build > like this? Using tcsh and bmake (NetBSD's make from pkgsrc, although comes with base OS.) # bmake depend # bmake >& smile_build.txt > On 7/15/07, othyro(a)freeshell.org <othyro(a)freeshell.org> wrote: > > > >Here's the output of the build, which completed successfully: > > > >=> Checksum SHA1 OK for slime-2.0.tgz > >=> Checksum RMD160 OK for slime-2.0.tgz > >===> Installing dependencies for slime-2.0 > >========================================================================== > >The following variables will affect the build process of this package, > >slime-2.0. Their current value is shown below: > > > > * EMACS_TYPE = emacs22 > > > >Based on these variables, the following variables have been set: > > > > * EMACS_BIN = /usr/pkg/bin/emacs > > * EMACS_ETCPREFIX = /usr/pkg/share > > * EMACS_FLAVOR = emacs > > * EMACS_INFOPREFIX = /usr/pkg/info > > * EMACS_LISPPREFIX = /usr/pkg/share/emacs/site-lisp > > * EMACS_PKGNAME_PREFIX (defined, but empty) > > * EMACS_VERSION_MAJOR = 22 > > * EMACS_VERSION_MINOR = 1 > > > >You may want to abort the process now with CTRL-C and change their value > >before continuing. Be sure to run `/usr/pkg/bin/bmake clean' after > >the changes. > >========================================================================== > >=> Required installed package gmake>=3.78: gmake-3.81 found > >=> Required installed package emacs>=22: emacs-22.1 found > >===> Overriding tools for slime-2.0 > >===> Extracting for slime-2.0 > >===> Patching for slime-2.0 > >===> Creating toolchain wrappers for slime-2.0 > >===> Building for slime-2.0 > >cd /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/doc && /usr/pkg/bin/gmake > >slime.info > >grep: slime.info: No such file or directory > >cat ../ChangeLog | \ > > sed -ne '/^[0-9]/{s/^[^ ]* *//; s/ *<.*//; p;}' | \ > > sort | \ > > uniq -c | \ > > sort -nr| \ > > sed -e 's/^[^A-Z]*//' | \ > > awk -f texinfo-tabulate.awk | \ > > sed -e "s/\o341/@'a/g" | \ > > sed -e "s/\o355/@'{@dotless{i}}/g" | \ > > sed -e "s/\o351/@'e/g" | \ > > sed -e "s/\o361/@~n/g" | \ > > sed -e 's/\o370/@o{}/g' \ > > > contributors.texi > >makeinfo slime.texi > >cd /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0 && /usr/pkg/bin/emacs > >-batch -eval '(se > >tq load-path (cons nil load-path))' -f batch-byte-compile *.el > > > >In bridge-send-handler: > >bridge.el:223:31:Warning: bridge-insert called with 2 arguments, but > >accepts > > only 1 > >Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/bridge.elc > > > >In end of data: > >hyperspec.el:1667:1:Warning: the following functions might not be defined > >at > > runtime: maplist, delete*, subseq, position > >Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/hyperspec.elc > > > >In slime-update-modeline-package: > >slime.el:525:33:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-modes' > >slime.el:903:50:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-mode-map' > >slime.el:911:50:Warning: reference to free variable `sldb-mode-map' > > > >In slime-setup-command-hooks: > >slime.el:935:4:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of > >Emacs > > 21.1); not necessary any more. > >slime.el:938:14:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of > > Emacs 21.1); not necessary any more. > > > >In slime-read-interactive-args: > >slime.el:1352:16:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-lisp-implementations' > >slime.el:1356:30:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-default-lisp' > >slime.el:1376:45:Warning: reference to free variable > >`slime-net-coding-system' > > > >In slime-start: > >slime.el:1386:42:Warning: reference to free variable > >`slime-net-coding-system' > > > >In slime-connect: > >slime.el:1401:53:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-host' > >slime.el:1403:30:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-net-processes' > >slime.el:1406:42:Warning: reference to free variable > >`slime-net-coding-system' > > > >In slime-maybe-start-lisp: > >slime.el:1517:60:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-net-processes' > > > >In slime-start-lisp: > >slime.el:1539:10:Warning: `process-kill-without-query' is an obsolete > >function > > (as of Emacs 22.1); use `process-query-on-exit-flag' or > > `set-process-query-on-exit-flag'. > > > >In slime-read-port-and-connect: > >slime.el:1608:44:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-host' > > > >In slime-net-connect: > >slime.el:1720:8:Warning: `process-kill-without-query' is an obsolete > >function > > (as of Emacs 22.1); use `process-query-on-exit-flag' or > > `set-process-query-on-exit-flag'. > > > >In slime-net-close: > >slime.el:1815:21:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-default-connection' > >slime.el:1816:11:Warning: assignment to free variable > > `slime-default-connection' > > > >In slime-reading-p: > >slime.el:2430:5:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-read-mode' > > > >In slime-reset-repl-markers: > >slime.el:2626:30:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-repl-input-end-mark' > >slime.el:2628:30:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-repl-prompt-start-mark' > > > >In slime-init-output-buffer: > >slime.el:2682:11:Warning: assignment to free variable > > `slime-repl-directory-stack' > >slime.el:2684:11:Warning: assignment to free variable > > `slime-repl-package-stack' > > > >In slime-show-last-output-region: > >slime.el:2697:34:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-repl-input-start-mark' > > > >In slime-ensure-presentation-overlay: > >slime.el:2832:36:Warning: reference to free variable > >`slime-presentation-map' > > > >In slime-open-stream-to-lisp: > >slime.el:2856:8:Warning: `process-kill-without-query' is an obsolete > >function > > (as of Emacs 22.1); use `process-query-on-exit-flag' or > > `set-process-query-on-exit-flag'. > >slime.el:2863:13:Warning: assignment to free variable > > `bridge-destination-insert' > >slime.el:2864:13:Warning: assignment to free variable > >`bridge-source-insert' > >slime.el:2865:13:Warning: reference to free variable `bridge-handlers' > >slime.el:2868:20:Warning: assignment to free variable `bridge-handlers' > > > >In slime-write-string: > >slime.el:2906:28:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-repl-prompt-start-mark' > >slime.el:2909:20:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-repl-input-start-mark' > > > >In slime-repl-mode: > >slime.el:3024:4:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of > > Emacs 21.1); not necessary any more. > > > >In slime-repl-send-string: > >slime.el:3413:10:Warning: reference to free variable > >`slime-repl-read-mode' > > > >In slime-repl-return: > >slime.el:3534:10:Warning: reference to free variable > >`slime-repl-read-mode' > > > >In slime-save-some-lisp-buffers: > >slime.el:4076:54:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-modes' > > > >In slime-autodoc-message-dimensions: > >slime.el:5402:27:Warning: reference to free variable > >`slime-typeout-window' > > > >In slime-complete-delay-restoration: > >slime.el:5670:4:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of > > Emacs 21.1); not necessary any more. > > > >In slime-fuzzy-completions-mode: > >slime.el:5958:18:Warning: reference to free variable > > `slime-fuzzy-completions-map' > > > >In slime-print-apropos: > >slime.el:7024:45:Warning: reference to free variable `apropos-symbol-face' > > > >In slime-show-xrefs: > >slime.el:7170:11:Warning: assignment to free variable > > `slime-next-location-function' > > > >In end of data: > >slime.el:10384:1:Warning: the following functions might not be defined at > > runtime: gensym, position, equalp, assoc-if, find, find-if, remove-if, > > subseq, sort*, getf, remove-if-not, reduce, cl-set-getf, mapcan, > >every, > > mismatch, remove*, fill > >slime.el:10384:1:Warning: the following functions are not known to be > >defined: > > tramp-make-tramp-file-name, tramp-file-name-localname, > > tramp-dissect-file-name, hide-entry, install-bridge, etags-snarf-tag, > > file-of-tag, hide-body, show-subtree > >Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/slime.elc > >Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/tree-widget.elc > >=> Unwrapping files-to-be-installed. > >_______________________________________________ > >slime-devel site list > >slime-devel(a)common-lisp.net > >http://common-lisp.net/mailman/listinfo/slime-devel > > > > > > -- > you must know the ledge of wise and dome to understand your culture of > freedom! > > http://pxpippen.blogspot.com/ > http://groups.google.com/group/lispstl > > Patrick

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[slime-devel] [patch] bind swank server to specified address
by Andreas Fuchs 16 Jul '07

16 Jul '07

Hi there, I've recently needed to bind a swank server to a (VPN-only) non-127.0.0.1 address. The attached patch adds an :address keyword arg to swank:create-server which defaults to 127.0.0.1. It's fairly straightforward, so I hope that slime committers will consider adding it. Cheers, -- Andreas Fuchs, (http://|im:asf@|mailto:asf@)boinkor.net, antifuchs Index: swank.lisp =================================================================== RCS file: /project/slime/cvsroot/slime/swank.lisp,v retrieving revision 1.490 diff -u -r1.490 swank.lisp --- swank.lisp 4 Jun 2007 16:17:17 -0000 1.490 +++ swank.lisp 16 Jul 2007 12:35:59 -0000 @@ -423,14 +423,17 @@ (defvar *coding-system* "iso-latin-1-unix") +(defparameter *loopback-interface* "127.0.0.1") + (defun start-server (port-file &key (style *communication-style*) (dont-close *dont-close*) (coding-system *coding-system*)) "Start the server and write the listen port number to PORT-FILE. This is the entry point for Emacs." (flet ((start-server-aux () - (setup-server 0 (lambda (port) - (announce-server-port port-file port)) + (setup-server 0 *loopback-interface* + (lambda (port) + (announce-server-port port-file port)) style dont-close (find-external-format-or-lose coding-system)))) (if (eq style :spawn) @@ -440,22 +443,21 @@ (defun create-server (&key (port default-server-port) (style *communication-style*) (dont-close *dont-close*) - (coding-system *coding-system*)) + (coding-system *coding-system*) + (address *loopback-interface*)) "Start a SWANK server on PORT running in STYLE. If DONT-CLOSE is true then the listen socket will accept multiple connections, otherwise it will be closed after the first." - (setup-server port #'simple-announce-function style dont-close + (setup-server port address #'simple-announce-function style dont-close (find-external-format-or-lose coding-system))) (defun find-external-format-or-lose (coding-system) (or (find-external-format coding-system) (error "Unsupported coding system: ~s" coding-system))) -(defparameter *loopback-interface* "127.0.0.1") - -(defun setup-server (port announce-fn style dont-close external-format) +(defun setup-server (port address announce-fn style dont-close external-format) (declare (type function announce-fn)) - (let* ((socket (create-socket *loopback-interface* port)) + (let* ((socket (create-socket address port)) (port (local-port socket))) (funcall announce-fn port) (flet ((serve ()

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[slime-devel] slime on NetBSD 3.1 with emacs22
by othyro＠freeshell.org 15 Jul '07

15 Jul '07

Here's the output of the build, which completed successfully: => Checksum SHA1 OK for slime-2.0.tgz => Checksum RMD160 OK for slime-2.0.tgz ===> Installing dependencies for slime-2.0 ========================================================================== The following variables will affect the build process of this package, slime-2.0. Their current value is shown below: * EMACS_TYPE = emacs22 Based on these variables, the following variables have been set: * EMACS_BIN = /usr/pkg/bin/emacs * EMACS_ETCPREFIX = /usr/pkg/share * EMACS_FLAVOR = emacs * EMACS_INFOPREFIX = /usr/pkg/info * EMACS_LISPPREFIX = /usr/pkg/share/emacs/site-lisp * EMACS_PKGNAME_PREFIX (defined, but empty) * EMACS_VERSION_MAJOR = 22 * EMACS_VERSION_MINOR = 1 You may want to abort the process now with CTRL-C and change their value before continuing. Be sure to run `/usr/pkg/bin/bmake clean' after the changes. ========================================================================== => Required installed package gmake>=3.78: gmake-3.81 found => Required installed package emacs>=22: emacs-22.1 found ===> Overriding tools for slime-2.0 ===> Extracting for slime-2.0 ===> Patching for slime-2.0 ===> Creating toolchain wrappers for slime-2.0 ===> Building for slime-2.0 cd /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/doc && /usr/pkg/bin/gmake slime.info grep: slime.info: No such file or directory cat ../ChangeLog | \ sed -ne '/^[0-9]/{s/^[^ ]* *//; s/ *<.*//; p;}' | \ sort | \ uniq -c | \ sort -nr| \ sed -e 's/^[^A-Z]*//' | \ awk -f texinfo-tabulate.awk | \ sed -e "s/\o341/@'a/g" | \ sed -e "s/\o355/@'{@dotless{i}}/g" | \ sed -e "s/\o351/@'e/g" | \ sed -e "s/\o361/@~n/g" | \ sed -e 's/\o370/@o{}/g' \ > contributors.texi makeinfo slime.texi cd /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0 && /usr/pkg/bin/emacs -batch -eval '(se tq load-path (cons nil load-path))' -f batch-byte-compile *.el In bridge-send-handler: bridge.el:223:31:Warning: bridge-insert called with 2 arguments, but accepts only 1 Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/bridge.elc In end of data: hyperspec.el:1667:1:Warning: the following functions might not be defined at runtime: maplist, delete*, subseq, position Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/hyperspec.elc In slime-update-modeline-package: slime.el:525:33:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-modes' slime.el:903:50:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-mode-map' slime.el:911:50:Warning: reference to free variable `sldb-mode-map' In slime-setup-command-hooks: slime.el:935:4:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of Emacs 21.1); not necessary any more. slime.el:938:14:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of Emacs 21.1); not necessary any more. In slime-read-interactive-args: slime.el:1352:16:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-implementations' slime.el:1356:30:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-default-lisp' slime.el:1376:45:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-net-coding-system' In slime-start: slime.el:1386:42:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-net-coding-system' In slime-connect: slime.el:1401:53:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-host' slime.el:1403:30:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-net-processes' slime.el:1406:42:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-net-coding-system' In slime-maybe-start-lisp: slime.el:1517:60:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-net-processes' In slime-start-lisp: slime.el:1539:10:Warning: `process-kill-without-query' is an obsolete function (as of Emacs 22.1); use `process-query-on-exit-flag' or `set-process-query-on-exit-flag'. In slime-read-port-and-connect: slime.el:1608:44:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-host' In slime-net-connect: slime.el:1720:8:Warning: `process-kill-without-query' is an obsolete function (as of Emacs 22.1); use `process-query-on-exit-flag' or `set-process-query-on-exit-flag'. In slime-net-close: slime.el:1815:21:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-default-connection' slime.el:1816:11:Warning: assignment to free variable `slime-default-connection' In slime-reading-p: slime.el:2430:5:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-read-mode' In slime-reset-repl-markers: slime.el:2626:30:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-input-end-mark' slime.el:2628:30:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-prompt-start-mark' In slime-init-output-buffer: slime.el:2682:11:Warning: assignment to free variable `slime-repl-directory-stack' slime.el:2684:11:Warning: assignment to free variable `slime-repl-package-stack' In slime-show-last-output-region: slime.el:2697:34:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-input-start-mark' In slime-ensure-presentation-overlay: slime.el:2832:36:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-presentation-map' In slime-open-stream-to-lisp: slime.el:2856:8:Warning: `process-kill-without-query' is an obsolete function (as of Emacs 22.1); use `process-query-on-exit-flag' or `set-process-query-on-exit-flag'. slime.el:2863:13:Warning: assignment to free variable `bridge-destination-insert' slime.el:2864:13:Warning: assignment to free variable `bridge-source-insert' slime.el:2865:13:Warning: reference to free variable `bridge-handlers' slime.el:2868:20:Warning: assignment to free variable `bridge-handlers' In slime-write-string: slime.el:2906:28:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-prompt-start-mark' slime.el:2909:20:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-input-start-mark' In slime-repl-mode: slime.el:3024:4:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of Emacs 21.1); not necessary any more. In slime-repl-send-string: slime.el:3413:10:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-read-mode' In slime-repl-return: slime.el:3534:10:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-repl-read-mode' In slime-save-some-lisp-buffers: slime.el:4076:54:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-lisp-modes' In slime-autodoc-message-dimensions: slime.el:5402:27:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-typeout-window' In slime-complete-delay-restoration: slime.el:5670:4:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function (as of Emacs 21.1); not necessary any more. In slime-fuzzy-completions-mode: slime.el:5958:18:Warning: reference to free variable `slime-fuzzy-completions-map' In slime-print-apropos: slime.el:7024:45:Warning: reference to free variable `apropos-symbol-face' In slime-show-xrefs: slime.el:7170:11:Warning: assignment to free variable `slime-next-location-function' In end of data: slime.el:10384:1:Warning: the following functions might not be defined at runtime: gensym, position, equalp, assoc-if, find, find-if, remove-if, subseq, sort*, getf, remove-if-not, reduce, cl-set-getf, mapcan, every, mismatch, remove*, fill slime.el:10384:1:Warning: the following functions are not known to be defined: tramp-make-tramp-file-name, tramp-file-name-localname, tramp-dissect-file-name, hide-entry, install-bridge, etags-snarf-tag, file-of-tag, hide-body, show-subtree Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/slime.elc Wrote /usr/pkgsrc/wip/slime/work/slime-2.0/tree-widget.elc => Unwrapping files-to-be-installed.

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[slime-devel] Feed Blaster puts your ad right to the screens of millions in 15 Minutes !
by MG＠common-lisp.net 15 Jul '07

15 Jul '07

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[slime-devel] repl history navigation and M-r
by Attila Lendvai 13 Jul '07

13 Jul '07

a recent checkin to cvs eliminated a very useful (ymmv) feature: M-r and M-s behaved just like C-s when it was sequently pressed more then once. i use that feature more than anything in the repl navigation. was it intentional? -- - attila "- The truth is that I've been too considerate, and so became unintentionally cruel... - I understand. - No, you don't understand! We don't speak the same language!" (Ingmar Bergman - Smultronstället)

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[slime-devel] SWANK+CMUCL closed streams bug: "There's junk in this string"
by Madhu 13 Jul '07

13 Jul '07

Helu I wonder if others have seen this problem: I see it once in a while and thought I'd ask here first. Lisp breaks off the connection with the following messages At the slime REPL: > ;; swank:close-connection: There's junk in this string: "ces (q". In *slime-events* >(:emacs-rex > (swank:arglist-for-echo-area > '("mb") > :arg-indices > '(2) > :print-right-margin 80 :print-lines nil) > "COMMON-LISP-USER" :repl-thread 2589) >(:emacs-rex > (swank:listener-eval "(mb 1240368 2183207)\n") > "COMMON-LISP-USER" :repl-thread 2590) >(:write-string ";; swank:close-connection: There's junk in this string: \"ces (q\".\n") And at the CMUCL REPL (debugger): >Source: (ERROR "~S is closed." STREAM)q > >Help! 12 nested errors. KERNEL:*MAXIMUM-ERROR-DEPTH* exceeded. > >Debug (type H for help) > >(LISP::CLOSED-FLAME #<Stream for descriptor 9>) Then, at the CMUCL repl, I can keep hitting `q' and get the same error message repeated a number of times until enough input is read, and either I pop back to the top level prompt (if I'm lucky), or I get dropped into ldb and lisp exits, if unlucky. If I do get back a prompt, A GC will show a number of >** Closed the Terminal >** Closed the Terminal >** Closed the Terminal >** Closed the Terminal lines. Have other people seen this sort of problem? I'd like to track down the source of the problem, so any suggestions are welcome. -- Madhu PS: Marco, did you get my earlier report and patch on the inspector being broken from the last commits?

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[slime-devel] Hit-Booster sends thousands of targeted visitors to your website at $0 cost to you!
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11 Jul '07

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[slime-devel] printing to stdout from C functions
by Tamas K Papp 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

Hi, I am debugging a program that calls some C functions via CFFI. Printing stuff from C would be useful (via printf), but the output doesn't show up (neither in the slime window, nor in *inferior-lisp*). I am using SBCL, inside Emacs and SLIME. Is there a way to see the output of printf called from C somewhere? Thanks, Tamas

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[slime-devel] reference card?
by Tamas K Papp 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

Is there a reference card for SLIME? I could write one, but thought I would check first. Tamas

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[slime-devel] Slime crashes when invocing a restart.
by Kamen TOMOV 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

Hi, I am building a Lisp development environment on a fresh installation of Ubuntu and I have plenty of problems. When I choose a restart resulting from a condition, Slime crashes. It happened on several occasions. For example when I do: (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :aserve) I get: Attempt to modify the locked package COMMON-LISP, by redefining function STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE [Condition of type LISP::PACKAGE-LOCKED-ERROR] Whatever I choose Slime crashes and the last thing in the REPL is this: ... -install-dir/site/cl-ppcre-1.3.0/scanner.x86f". ; Loading #P"/var/cache/common-lisp-controller/1000/cmucl/local/home/kamen/.asdf-install-dir/site/cl-ppcre-1.3.0/api.x86f". ; Loading #P"/usr/lib/cmucl/subsystems/gray-streams-library.x86f". ;; swank:close-connection: Error in KERNEL::UNDEFINED-SYMBOL-ERROR-HANDLER: the function STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE is undefined. I have: cmucl-19d, Emacs 21, Slime 2007-05-24, Ubuntu 7.0. When I do the same operation directly (without Slime) the operation is successful. In addition I get "Protocol version mismatch" when I try to connect to Swank server, although I have restarted Emacs, deleted all fasl files and so on. Any help will be appreciated! -- Kamen

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